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Old 03-09-2010, 04:42 PM
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 767pilot View Post
Can you not give us a little credit? Why did we get an end rate of almost 150 an hour for second year guys when it didn't help any of us, or any of you? That was a rhetorical question. I know that some of you are heading for the doors but when it comes to 2016 and beyond, the panic is way to early
I give all IPA'ers young and old credit for how far the IPA has come.
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Please remember, very importantly, that the majority of the 300 do NOT feel this way. The young AND the old have bad apples
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:26 PM
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It was the collective "us". You're right that we have come a long way and I'd like to think that it isn't as much of a majority rule situation as it is a one for all and all for one type. Just remember that the #1 seniority guy on our list had nothing to immediately gain by turning down a JA yesterday
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It's becoming more evident everyday that this isn't going to end well..........7 years is looking shorter every day.
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I give all IPA'ers young and old credit for how far the IPA has come.
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Come on. We talk a good game but in reality 30% of us couldn't even be bothered to participate in the MOU and 20% participated minimally. Now we have a President elected with 33% of the vote fulfilling his promise of attempting to bring over the FQS's and offering date of hire. Sorry we did not vote on that. Keeping one guy on the street one day longer than he should be to integrate the supervisors is BS.
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Originally Posted by 767pilot View Post
It was the collective "us". You're right that we have come a long way and I'd like to think that it isn't as much of a majority rule situation as it is a one for all and all for one type. Just remember that the #1 seniority guy on our list had nothing to immediately gain by turning down a JA yesterday
Except his self respect.
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Originally Posted by Capt TedStriker View Post
BTW.... Isn't it ironic that many of the spartans are the same group that stepped up to the plate to collect their contract ratification "bonus" (read retro) even though on property only a year.
ZERO of the Spartans were legal to vote on that bonus, FYI. Nice hand grenade, though...
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Come on. We talk a good game but in reality 30% of us couldn't even be bothered to participate in the MOU and 20% participated minimally. Now we have a President elected with 33% of the vote fulfilling his promise of attempting to bring over the FQS's and offering date of hire. Sorry we did not vote on that. Keeping one guy on the street one day longer than he should be to integrate the supervisors is BS.
100% IPA but Naven is 100% correct. I left a good job and a drive to work voluntarily because I truly believed that UPS was the best place for my family to be.

I can take a furlough to protect to our contract, in fact I prefer it to giving money to billionaires, but the thought that my wife and kids may be on the street to protect the date of hire for "managers", many of whom despise the working union pilot, makes me sick.

It going to be an interesting year with a lot of twists and turns....at the end, i will be 100% something......that is for sure. I hope its 100% IPA.
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... The EB needs to bypass the Card's and go straight to the Labor Courts with the Dorsey ruling in hand. This is the only way for success. Why the EB is going the Card route is beyond me. Not Smart at all. Doomed to Fail and they know it. So why?
A multistep solution, Perhaps because if they agree then the issue is quickly and more inexpensively resolved and we move to the next step. 1800 groundside management cuts, IPA furloughs, ATL has to be shopping the airline subsidiary for more savings........

Originally Posted by Naven View Post
Come on. We talk a good game but in reality 30% of us couldn't even be bothered to participate in the MOU and 20% participated minimally. Now we have a President elected with 33% of the vote fulfilling his promise of attempting to bring over the FQS's and offering date of hire. Sorry we did not vote on that. Keeping one guy on the street one day longer than he should be to integrate the supervisors is BS.
Valid, however, like 1997 Teamsters strike, 100% came along when required, not all voluntary, but nonetheless, all held the line when it came to the gut check. Believe the RIF bid will grab the attention of most of the remaining 28% to an engaged status.

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It's becoming more evident everyday that this isn't going to end well..........7 years is looking shorter every day.
On the flipside, FedEx Alpa just signed an agreement to exit the 4a2b language. It isn't because Fred is playing nice. Volumes are stabilized. Demand is slowly and steadily growing. Check the market reports of our competitors and UPS own financials. 7 years is not supported by current metrics. It is supported by biased metrics and agendas that support fear and distrust of the IPA.
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