Union Cards sent to UPS Flt Qual MGRs??
03-12-2010, 06:05 PM
#143
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Originally Posted by 1111
My question is why not lines 1-170...this should increase the number of Capt slots (per EB propoganda) as well as the need to hire more pilots. DOH is nothing worth signing over if an FQS is a capt now, then an F/O tomorrow.
03-12-2010, 06:34 PM
#144
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Originally Posted by 767pilot
You can build a case that the natural place for those guys is their date of hire (read the Katz letter). What case can you build for why they should have positions 1-170 on our list?
why make them think about it...make it a no brainer. We save a ****load of money in lawyer fees/increased dues...the process is sped up, they are happier with the integration.....the furlough can end sooner....
oh...there might be a few ruffled feathers in the upper levels of the caste system...I mean Union, but hey, it's for the good of the whole not a few!!!
03-12-2010, 08:43 PM
#146
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Originally Posted by Airbum
1111 your hyperbole could as well be the IPA pays them a million a year to leave thus creating jobs and stopping the layoff
the difference being those "few" you wish to use to divide the group would not be punished
the difference being those "few" you wish to use to divide the group would not be punished
not sure where you're wandering off with the "few" ...wishing to divide...somthin somthin.....
03-12-2010, 09:32 PM
#147
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I can't imagine any of the FQS would sign for less than being stapled to the bottom of the CA list -- none of them will give up a stripe and I really don't know how you could integrate the list by DOH if a bunch of them would meld into the FO list but they get to stay Capts?! Some of the senior FQS wouldn't sign for being stapled to bottom of CA list, they'd want a higher number. It seems like a pretty tough nut to crack...
We might consider the assistance of an outside consultant. We need a real "hands on" type of guy who's known to reach around the aisle and grope for solutions. Willing to take his work into the shower and keep a close eye on things. I think there's a gentleman vacating his congressional seat in NY who just may have the time to help us out.
We might consider the assistance of an outside consultant. We need a real "hands on" type of guy who's known to reach around the aisle and grope for solutions. Willing to take his work into the shower and keep a close eye on things. I think there's a gentleman vacating his congressional seat in NY who just may have the time to help us out.
03-12-2010, 11:37 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by 767pilot
On the one hand, that is where they should be by all rights, and it makes me worry about the psyche of someone that would make a statement like that, but I won't go there .
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03-13-2010, 04:06 AM
#149
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot
The offer of DOH makes sense as an indication of what they rejected when we go after the positions. Its would establish that they rejected union representation when offered while working in the same class and craft. It might well allow us to paste them on the bottom since they rejected DOH.
Now we are going to go to arbitration stating stapple them at the bottom because they would not take DOH. Seams like a week argument.
03-13-2010, 04:09 AM
#150
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Originally Posted by Buck92
I can't imagine any of the FQS would sign for less than being stapled to the bottom of the CA list -- none of them will give up a stripe and I really don't know how you could integrate the list by DOH if a bunch of them would meld into the FO list but they get to stay Capts?! Some of the senior FQS wouldn't sign for being stapled to bottom of CA list, they'd want a higher number. It seems like a pretty tough nut to crack...
We might consider the assistance of an outside consultant. We need a real "hands on" type of guy who's known to reach around the aisle and grope for solutions. Willing to take his work into the shower and keep a close eye on things. I think there's a gentleman vacating his congressional seat in NY who just may have the time to help us out.
We might consider the assistance of an outside consultant. We need a real "hands on" type of guy who's known to reach around the aisle and grope for solutions. Willing to take his work into the shower and keep a close eye on things. I think there's a gentleman vacating his congressional seat in NY who just may have the time to help us out.
They would get to stay Capts as long as they stay in their present base and equipment. So the junior types that were invited to ANC by management and are in the left seat up there, would NOT be allowed to bump into SDF as a Capt just because they are a management Capt.
The problem with that type of fence is the handful of SDF based B747 manager Capts, where do they get locked ?
The DOH thing isn't as "tough of a nut to crack" as you would believe ...
But we both know, the larger issue is the ego of some of the ready made manager Capts who aren't ready or willing to become a part of Labor ...
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