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Originally Posted by NEDude
Deal with it.
Deal with it? Sure. I can deal with companies like VA and Allegiant and Skybus. I have no problem "dealing" with the competition EXCEPT when their attempt to compete is to play the "let's see who can pay their pilots less" game. That's the game upstarts play. You come in, pay an industry undercutting wage, and then use that labor cost advantage to undercut the rest of us. How about we all compete on something except discount airline pilot salaries? If your product is so great, why doesn't your management pay a market wage, WITH retirement and benefits?
Hawaiian and Alaska are right now encroaching on markets that have traditionally been "ours" in the past. Wait and see if I have any comments about losing, if we do. I won't write anything because it's a union carrier paying a union wage. If we lose because we offer an inferior product, so be it. At least I didn't lose to an airline paying ridiculous narrowbody wages. Just the fact that you're defending it goes to show how out of touch most VA guys are.
Um, again, "ALPA" didn't do anything wrong IMO. The TWA pilots chose their path, and because they didn't get what they wanted with the APA, they sued ALPA. The TWA pilot group could have chosen to not agree to the prepackaged deal and gone into bankruptcy with no deal with American and taken their chances. They chose the route that got some of their pilots hired at American, but when they didn't get what they felt they deserved, they sued ALPA. I mean, c'mon? Was "ALPA" supposed to get a 25 year Captain at a bankrupt TWA date of hire and placed ahead of a bunch of guys at a successful airline? It's sour grapes. I think when the lawsuit is finally decided it will prove that. But ALPA does make for a nice, easy, fat target though.
My airline did not get an ATSB loan. My airline reorganized under U.S. bankruptcy law.
ALPA hasn't tried to stop the spread of RJ flying once we determined the damage it was doing? Really? Are you kidding me? We're in contract negotiations right now. Scope if front and center and is easily a strike issue. It's been a major issue for just about every airline for years. Unfortunately, labor can't stop much while reorganizing in bankruptcy.
Your point at the end of the first paragraph makes no sense to me. It's almost like you're making my point for me. The whole industry saw the damage that airlines like JetBlue, Frontier, Southwest, etc., did to mainline pilot wages. That same damage will be done AGAIN if airlines like VA flourish, dragging down narrowbody wages and compensation further. It doesn't matter what excuse you have for it, it damages the industry.