I think TT is actually trying to represent the pilots who elected him. That is what representation looks like when you do it properly. Instead you seem to prefer doublespeak and wagon circling...protect the association, protect the MEC...intercourse the pilots.

Looks like TT was correct in his letter:

Faster 50-Seater Withdrawal Could Save Delta $473 Million

What was that alfa was saying about lying?

By my "yes voter" math that still leaves $300+ million in cost increases uncovered over the next three years coming straight to us.

Could be wrong though. That 4% bump in ALV could save them the other $300 mil.

The TA itself is only worth 450 million.

Show your work.

Mine was 10,500 active pilots making $75,000 more than they would otherwise over a 3 year agreement minus $473 million.

Now show my error.

You mean when we told you the exact savings and Delta then confirms that number? What the hell are you talking about?

From the FAQ's:

As it pertains to the pilot group, this is anything but a cost neutral contract. In fact, the increased value over the life of the contract will be on the order of approximately one billion dollars.


If the agreement is ratified, Delta will save approximately $184 million in above normal run rate CRJ-200 engine maintenance costs. In addition, Delta will save approximately $289 million in DCI contract and CRJ-200 ownership costs. This represents a total net savings of $473 million over the life of the agreement. These are one time savings that don’t continue into the future unlike the increases in pilot costs in this TA, which continue to accrue.


The acquisition costs of the B-717 and 76-seat jets are not public, but at current market prices can be estimated at approximately $2 billion. The savings generated by management not having to pay for the 50-seat RJ flying that they don’t want is more than offset by the acquisition costs of the B-717 and the 76-seat jets.

Nope, he was still wrong.

Nope you're still lying alfa. Even in the face of outside analysis showing that this TA will be cost positive to DAL...not cost neutral as I had been saying. You are truly shameless.

Carl