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Originally Posted by Phantom Flyer View Post
I won't claim to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination and I've seen some strange things in aviation but in my 18+ years in a major airline 121 training environment, I've never heard of a First Officer giving PC's, recurrent and Captain upgrades.
United used Pilot Instructors (PI's) who were mostly F/O's by seniority, for sim training but they did NOT give check rides, type rides or PC's. They all had to go through a Captain's qualification, type ride and maintain a Captain's qualification during their stint "in the fleet" as a PI.
In other carriers, I've never heard of the scenario you mentioned.
Sounds very "fishy" to me.
G'Luck Mate
Phantom, your statement annotated in red is incorrect. Even under the old UAL system we had Type B PI's. Those are PI's who are examiner qualified. I was a type B PI and I can assure you that I have given multiple hundreds of "check rides" as in MV's for both trasition and PC crews and hundreds of transition PV's and hundreds of day 1 and day 2 PC's as well; See below.
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Agreed..they all go through the entire Captain upgrade program to include IOE and a line check. They do not give MV or LOE rides. Just your basic sim sessions and FTD's.
Gupboy,
In regards to the airline I fly for and legally speaking are absolutely 100% incorrect in your statement above.
I was a 777 PI for 6 years and am currently back in the building as a 76T/756 FI/E ( same thing different name now, as a Type B, PI).
An FI/E (Flight Instructor/Evaluator) can in fact give a PC and they do in fact administer PV's and MV's and requal 1,2,3 and landing requal. The ONLY check rides we can't administer by company rules are LOE's and type rides.
But as a matter of fact once you are Type B (FI/E, or check airmen qualified) the FAA considers you a designated examiner on that airplane. And in fact you are perfectly legal to administer type rides on that airplane type and I have done so for several airlines on a contract basis.
The FAA, as mentioned previously does not care what your seniority can hold at your airline. Once you are type rated you are legal to act as PIC and once you go through the proper training and take an FAA administered examiner's check ride you are legal to instruct and give type ratings on your specific airframe. It generally takes a new flight instructor about 18 months of instructing to become a full MV qualified examiner.
I hope this clears up the confusion a bit.