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Originally Posted by LivingInMEM
AirGunner, why the focus on the V? That's shaping the discussion just a bit.
There is method to my madness, allow me to explain..
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Originally Posted by LivingInMEM
Apples to apples, Distinguished Warfighter medal (no V) compared to Bronze Star (no V). You're assigning extra value for the BS and AM for this discussion when the outcry to the dilution of the medal before today was pretty muted.
The main heartache I've heard from people is the placement in the order of precidence, not the separate award. A BSM or AM with a "V" device is the same award as a BSM or AM without the "V" device, practically speaking. However, it's important to note the the "V" device denotes the context in which the medals were awarded. So it doesn't matter how much people kvetch or how much we like it or not, it's authorized for meritorious achievement in "combat."
Which brings me to my next point...
The changing nature of warfare demands that we change our outlook on certain things. Who is to say that an RPA operator that takes out a HVT during a operation didn't contribute to the combat mission. While a award for valor in this instance would be completely inappropriate an award for achievement would be merited.
So, theoretically speaking an RPA operator could be eligible for an achievement based BSM or AM...based upon the participation albiet distant in combat operations.
The warfare they conduct is no less important than any the rest of us have done. Additionally, awards of these "combat" decorations are authroized for "combat" achievement..this hasn't changed since WWII when both awards were instituted. (Hence my inate focus on the "V" device...)
Now, I'm not saying they deserve awards based solely upon valor i.e. MOH, Air Force Cross, or the Silver Star nor do they deserve a Valor device on the BSM or AM....you cannot act with valor in the safety of a box...meaning there is no valor without personal danger. I think we all can agree on that.
So hopefully, I've explained in a nutshell why, IMHO, there is no need for a seperate award...people need to realize the "combat" role RPA/cyber play while non-traditional is no less important than the "traditional" combat roles and they deserve to be recognized for achievement when merited. Achievement based BSM, MSM's, AM's, IMHO should be looked at for being opened up to them.
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Originally Posted by LivingInMEM
PS, just saw your last post, this referred to the previous post. I agree with your last post, change is required as recognition of individual efforts need to be the norm, not group participation.
Shack....