Exactly!

And it is rather odd to have the senior captains here who: have been making maximum pay in the right seat for many years; who have voted to allow the back seat boys into the right seat years ago; who have 25 years of service but won't retire in the hopes that they get more money in the ensuing contract; who have had the fortune of upgrading to the right seat in 8-10 years... to now tell first officers we are not team players if we do not forego extra flying. Huh? Widebody upgrades are now 14-16 years, costing a large percentage of this crew force hundreds of thousands of dollars in earnings. Many will be over 60 before they can upgrade. To ask this half of the crew force to stop flying extra is, I think, a bit selfish.

The contract allows us to fly extra. If we don't, Atlas and Polar will do the flying from our ramps. I don't think any captain here has any right to ask the lesser paid to dig deeper for them after the 7-9 years of longer upgrades.j For some, the extra flying is a partial replacement for the many years of lost future revenue.

It is a different company now than it was five years ago. Shrinking crew force, loss of wide body aircraft, long upgrades.

I hope you are a Management Plant cause it Sounds a little like "it is all about ME"

So only WB Captains are telling you this?
Last time I looked the MEC was about 50/50 Junior senior.

BTW, I see a Great Deal of Support from FO's. In fact I believe many FO's are leading the Charge.

Let us hope that your Opinion is in the Minority. (Management)

Let's look at your opinion from another view. Maybe we should all fly as much as we want. Maybe will should all sell back vacations and
maybe we should just tell our Leadership to Settle today with the Company's last offer.

If you think 150 over 60 year old Engineers coming back to a Window seat put a Dent in your upgrade. I can't wait to see what 400 Plus Pay only Bidders and a 14-20% reduction in Manning requirement due to PBS would do to your hopes and dreams.

As one of those FO's who is going to wait a long, long time to upgrade, and who is only flying his line and nothing else, I'll at least know I did my part to help get us a contract. If you do not, then the least you can say is "thank you" when all is said and done.

By the way, I think you meant your other "right" (that would be left).

PPP ...

Maybe you're missing the point? Everybody is being asked to consider if they really need to fly extra, not just a few First Officers. You're family might appreciate the extra time you can spend at home?

Based on the content of this guys missives, I would assume he is a shill for the companies bargaining unit. I would bet he is a paid consultant who's job is to undermine our legal efforts at resolving our issues with the company. Ignore him.

B.S numbers even the McCluskey knows it. Total cost for all pilots including management overrides and bonuses and divided by total number of pilots. I'll bet it includes FDA cost of living allowances too. It's like a stew pot, if it's paid to a pilot, any pilot, throw it in with all the other numbers. They published this crap in 1998 as well. It's always been in their playbook.

In 1998 it was $144k. I'd love to have seen a $90k raise since then and still be in the same seat.

I wouldn't want a 'thank you' from a person like that.
Keep rationalizing, Pickle, if it makes you feel good. Everybody has 'reasons' they'd like to fly draft and extra trips, but many are sacrificing now in hopes of something better later.

Without going into a long dissertation, you, dear sir, are a knucklehead!

Thank you for offering such deep content to the discussion at hand. "Sticks and stones..."