FedEx picketing
09-26-2014, 11:03 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by MeXC
I wouldn't want a 'thank you' from a person like that.
Keep rationalizing, Pickle, if it makes you feel good. Everybody has 'reasons' they'd like to fly draft and extra trips, but many are sacrificing now in hopes of something better later.
Keep rationalizing, Pickle, if it makes you feel good. Everybody has 'reasons' they'd like to fly draft and extra trips, but many are sacrificing now in hopes of something better later.
09-26-2014, 11:07 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
Thank you for offering such deep content to the discussion at hand. "Sticks and stones..."
09-26-2014, 11:49 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
If you don't understand now, then you won't ever understand, so what's the point of discussing? No, you rationalize your actions anyway your choose. Knucklehead!
09-26-2014, 03:20 PM
#24
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Unbelievable that such comments could come from someone that is charged with the responsibility a FedEx pilot is charge with. Really speaks to the entitlement society we live in. Me me me. I don't know, I just can't believe even a naive FDX pilot would say such pitiful things here. I think someone already nailed it. It's got to be a shill from management. That's not me just throwing snide comments in a "back at cha" manner. I really believe this is from someone paid from management or their paid anti-union legal firm from Atlanta. It speaks to how stupid/gullible they feel we are.
09-26-2014, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
Wow! What erudition! And the name calling is just classic. Are you next going to threaten to "beat me up?"
09-26-2014, 05:41 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
Exactly!
And it is rather odd to have the senior captains here who: have been making maximum pay in the right seat for many years; who have voted to allow the back seat boys into the right seat years ago; who have 25 years of service but won't retire in the hopes that they get more money in the ensuing contract; who have had the fortune of upgrading to the right seat in 8-10 years... to now tell first officers we are not team players if we do not forego extra flying. Huh? Widebody upgrades are now 14-16 years, costing a large percentage of this crew force hundreds of thousands of dollars in earnings. Many will be over 60 before they can upgrade. To ask this half of the crew force to stop flying extra is, I think, a bit selfish.
The contract allows us to fly extra. If we don't, Atlas and Polar will do the flying from our ramps. I don't think any captain here has any right to ask the lesser paid to dig deeper for them after the 7-9 years of longer upgrades.j For some, the extra flying is a partial replacement for the many years of lost future revenue.
It is a different company now than it was five years ago. Shrinking crew force, loss of wide body aircraft, long upgrades.
And it is rather odd to have the senior captains here who: have been making maximum pay in the right seat for many years; who have voted to allow the back seat boys into the right seat years ago; who have 25 years of service but won't retire in the hopes that they get more money in the ensuing contract; who have had the fortune of upgrading to the right seat in 8-10 years... to now tell first officers we are not team players if we do not forego extra flying. Huh? Widebody upgrades are now 14-16 years, costing a large percentage of this crew force hundreds of thousands of dollars in earnings. Many will be over 60 before they can upgrade. To ask this half of the crew force to stop flying extra is, I think, a bit selfish.
The contract allows us to fly extra. If we don't, Atlas and Polar will do the flying from our ramps. I don't think any captain here has any right to ask the lesser paid to dig deeper for them after the 7-9 years of longer upgrades.j For some, the extra flying is a partial replacement for the many years of lost future revenue.
It is a different company now than it was five years ago. Shrinking crew force, loss of wide body aircraft, long upgrades.
Narrow Body FOs are asking you too!
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09-26-2014, 06:06 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
Yes, the ones who can afford to sacrifice because they've enjoyed $240K plus for many years. The point is, many have already sacrificed, and will continue to do so for many years in lost wages and the lost opportunity costs, just based on the dynamics of the past five years and the projections going forward. Shouldn't those who are in the best position to make sacrifices and can best afford to do so be the ones who actually make the sacrifice, rather than those with less economic means?
Start ACTING NOW for a better tomorrow.
09-26-2014, 09:36 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
Wow! What erudition! And the name calling is just classic. Are you next going to threaten to "beat me up?"
Pick, you really are either a knucklehead, management, or plain stupid. (Hows that for erudition?)
You dont wait to get your "war chest" while we are in negotiations. You do it a year before negotiations start. If you cant understand that concept I feel sorry for you. It has nothing to do with L or R seat. Live within your means.
09-27-2014, 03:53 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by PicklePausePull
Exactly!
And it is rather odd to have the senior captains here who: have been making maximum pay in the right seat for many years; who have voted to allow the back seat boys into the right seat years ago; who have 25 years of service but won't retire in the hopes that they get more money in the ensuing contract; who have had the fortune of upgrading to the right seat in 8-10 years... to now tell first officers we are not team players if we do not forego extra flying. Huh? Widebody upgrades are now 14-16 years, costing a large percentage of this crew force hundreds of thousands of dollars in earnings. Many will be over 60 before they can upgrade. To ask this half of the crew force to stop flying extra is, I think, a bit selfish.
The contract allows us to fly extra. If we don't, Atlas and Polar will do the flying from our ramps. I don't think any captain here has any right to ask the lesser paid to dig deeper for them after the 7-9 years of longer upgrades.j For some, the extra flying is a partial replacement for the many years of lost future revenue.
It is a different company now than it was five years ago. Shrinking crew force, loss of wide body aircraft, long upgrades.
And it is rather odd to have the senior captains here who: have been making maximum pay in the right seat for many years; who have voted to allow the back seat boys into the right seat years ago; who have 25 years of service but won't retire in the hopes that they get more money in the ensuing contract; who have had the fortune of upgrading to the right seat in 8-10 years... to now tell first officers we are not team players if we do not forego extra flying. Huh? Widebody upgrades are now 14-16 years, costing a large percentage of this crew force hundreds of thousands of dollars in earnings. Many will be over 60 before they can upgrade. To ask this half of the crew force to stop flying extra is, I think, a bit selfish.
The contract allows us to fly extra. If we don't, Atlas and Polar will do the flying from our ramps. I don't think any captain here has any right to ask the lesser paid to dig deeper for them after the 7-9 years of longer upgrades.j For some, the extra flying is a partial replacement for the many years of lost future revenue.
It is a different company now than it was five years ago. Shrinking crew force, loss of wide body aircraft, long upgrades.
Guess I missed the part when I got hired that guaranteed me the wide body left seat in 10 yrs. I also didn't have the luxury of a ride seat wide body as a new hire or even at year 5. Look at the industry standard for a wide body upgrade. Our company was fortunate to have had the timeframe where this unprecedented progress was possible. Age 60 hit every company not just purple. As far as many will be over 60 before they are wide body captains, For the ones from the military, that was a life choice for most who stayed on active duty, at which once the decision was made knew most likely being in their mid 40's the airlines would most likely NOT hire them.
Basing your finances on a false expectation is a dangerous game and a poor excuse for your actions.
As far as being over 60 before you can upgrade
Shouda, Coulda, Woulda,
Maybe you SHOULDA let your cojones drop and take a chance and get out after your first tour, then you COULDA potentially been hired during the wonder years and you possibly WOULDA upgraded at your expectation rate.
Why do I have the feeling you were ALWAYS the one quibbling after returning from the range....
My scores shouldn't count 'cause
Lead's bomb obscured the target
I wasn't low on that pass, my altimeter must be off.
I can't help it if my TER was bad
I just want to be held.
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