I am just a simple caveman lawyer and can't seem to figure out my duty limitation for today.

Revised pairing as follows

Hotel Standby:
6am local/8am Mem until 1600 local/1800 Mem (10 hours)

201 turn

OPLIVE (FX DH to MEM) 1902-2103 ( 1 Min block time...actual block is 3:40) so pairing is wrong.
Duty would actually be 17:15 when flight blocks including 30 mins post flight.

My question, what is my duty time for a hotel standby followed by a deadhead. All the examples pertain to flight deck duty or only deadheads over 16 hrs.

Pretty sure we aren't doing this but wanted to be able to quote a section in the contract and having a hard time.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Unfortunately, duty time doesn't start at the beginning of a hotel standby, as it does for an airport standby. It starts at the show time of whatever flight they give you, if they end up assigning you something. These things, I think apply to you. The questions I have about your pairing, are: Are you getting assigned a trip with a showtime during your originally scheduled standby period? And will you be finished with your trip no later than 4:30 after your original standby period?

Base Hotel Standby i. A base hotel standby period shall not exceed 11:30 hours.

ii. A base hotel standby pilot may only be assigned duty commencing during the standby period. If a pilot’s pairing is revised, however, the following shall apply:

If assigned a trip, a base hotel standby pilot's duty period shall begin at the showtime for that trip. If assigned a domestic duty period, that does not consist exclusively of a deadhead, the standby pilot shall be scheduled for release to a legal rest period not later than the scheduled on-duty limit for that showtime, but in any case, the standby pilot shall be released to a legal rest period not later than 4:30 hours after the end of his standby period.

This is exactly the type of thing you should check with ALPA contract enforcement.

Unfortunately when these things happen an operational emergency is frequently invoked. When an operational emergency happens the CE people are frequently home fro m the inclement weather.

We finally got a hold of ALPA and got good information about this not being legal. We were able to have it changed with scheduling. We were put in rest after hotel standby with a layover and an airline deadhead to Memphis at 6am.

Thanks for you help!!!

LAG,

I basically agree with your argument and I've had CRS try to bend the CBA "claiming" due to the "Operational Emergency" they would have to reschedule our deadhead back to MEM on a company jumpseat. They further went on to claim that the revised schedule had been "Approved By the Duty Officer."

I immediately hoisted the "BS Flag." I argued that by definition an Operational Emergency is when (except for this one time contract deviation) an airplane doesn't move. I continued to argue that by that same definition that deadheading us home was NEVER AN OPERATIONAL EMERGENCY!

In the end ... CRS agreed. We were then scheduled for a 96 hour layover (at 200%) followed by a FIRST CLASS DEADHEAD home.

A good deal in the end ...

I had crew schedule tell me that the only time they can use company jumpseat is when there is absolutely no other option. There is NEVER a reason for them to put you on a company jumpseat going home, operational emergency or otherwise, it doesn't entitle them to do that.

However, based upon the name LeftCoastMD11, I assumed that he was not Memphis based, and this was not a deadhead home, but a deadhead to cover trips that the Memphis guys weren't filling. Apparently an incorrect assumption. I would raise bloody hell if they were trying to force me to jumpseat after a trip, that one is absolutely wrong. Either they are trying to cheap out on the dh, or trying to get people back to cover other trips...which isn't the crewmembers problem.