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727C47 , 05-08-2015 07:35 PM

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Iah lives in right wing fantasy land ,collective bargaining and aviation , professional aviation is here to stay, like it, lump it

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av8or , 05-08-2015 08:02 PM

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"Free market" ers never seem to have a problem with corporate welfare, foreign trade agreements, and management labor contracts... Only employee collective contracts. And Federal judges seem to agree by the fact that they have no problem tossing out a labor contract, bailing out a company "too big to fail" (with taxpayer dollars no less) and yet always honoring management negotiated labor contracts. That double standard has always puzzled me.

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NoSidNoStar , 05-08-2015 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine

Labor unions are similar to investment capitol. Shareholders pool their money together in order to get a greater return than they would if they were to take the same amount of money and start their own company. Labor unions pool their resources (the employees) together to negotiate a better compensation package than they could on their own.

You think the employees of a company that has a union should quit. The reverse argument is why not run a company in a way where a union is not needed. Or, if employees get a union, why not argue that the management should quit?

Well said, agreed 100%

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NoSidNoStar , 05-08-2015 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by iahflyr

I am waiting for the day when our industry catches up with the rest of the country. The day that this line goes to 0% will happen in my lifetime.

And that is the day the middle class will cease to exist according to this other graph. You should think about this. I saw your graph, and I immediately thought about the coincidence. A simple google search and here it is. Union membership is directly proportional to the economic strength of the middle class. Not surprising at all. Thank you for making your point worst.

This week in the war on workers: Union membership falls. The middle class falls. Not a coincidence.

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727C47 , 05-09-2015 03:52 AM

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Well said No Sid , the right wing wacko trolls can lump it

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SayAlt , 05-09-2015 07:47 AM

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NetJets Pilots Union Conducts Largest Picket In Company History

By PR Newswire Follow | 05/06/15 - 11:07 AM EDT

More than 400 pilots and family members took the fight to preserve their livelihoods and security to the 2015 Berkshire Hathaway Shareholders Meeting by staging the largest informational picket in NetJets history on Saturday; NetJets is a subsidiary of the Warren Buffett-owned conglomerate (NYSE: BRK.A and BRK.B). The pilots, whose professional interests are represented by the NetJets Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots (NJASAP), were joined by NetJets flight attendants and Flight Options pilots represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.

"In 2005, our pilot group conducted its first informational picket in Omaha during a Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting with 75 pilots sending the message there was a labor problem at NetJets," NJASAP President Pedro Leroux said. "Ten years later, more than 400 pilots and their families traveled from all points across the United States to communicate what we have today is not a labor problem - it is a labor disaster created by management."

The Union president went on to say the comments made throughout the weekend by Mr. Buffett and Vice Chairman Charles Munger have made it clear NetJets management has not shared with Berkshire Leadership the nature and extent of the labor situation unfolding in Columbus. (<----- I highly doubt this. - SayAlt)

"It is a fact that attrition has increased significantly at this company, and NJASAP's internal polling data has confirmed more than 30 percent of the current pilot force is considering a move to a legacy carrier," Leroux said. "These factors combined with the current pilot shortage have very real implications for NetJets's ability to retain its world-class pilot group - one of its most compelling selling points."

The overwhelming majority of pilots blame senior NetJets management for the labor unrest that has engulfed the company. "In fewer than eight days, 93 percent of the Membership participated in a Vote of No Confidence in NetJets CEO Jordan Hansell with 98 percent supporting the measure," Vice President Paulette Gilbert said. "When you add this to the fact that more than 400 pilots traveled to Omaha on their own time and at their own expense this past weekend, it is clear Union Leadership is speaking definitively on behalf of its members."

The Union sponsored a Vote of No Confidence because NetJets CEO Jordan Hansell has broken the pilot group's trust by engaging in illegal union-busting tactics, diminishing the brand, creating labor unrest and demanding major concessions from the pilot group during the on-going contract negotiation. "NetJets is insisting we agree to deep cuts in compensation, health care and working conditions even though it is highly profitable, expanding both domestically and internationally, and issuing profit-sharing checks to managers and non-union employees," Leroux said, adding the contract proposals Union negotiators have received are reflective of a carrier on the verge of bankruptcy. The parties began contract talks in June 2013.

"NetJets is well aware that we will not accept these terms, which leads us to believe the CEO wants to push us toward a strike - something we are seeking to avoid," Leroux said. "Our preference is to reach an agreement without a strike, and that is what brought us to Omaha. We want to inform Berkshire Hathaway and the public about what is really happening at NetJets. Without Berkshire Hathaway's intervention, we have very grave concerns about the viability of our company."

NetJets Pilots Union Conducts Largest Picket In Company History - TheStreet

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727C47 , 05-09-2015 03:29 PM

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Vote for Pedro : )

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jsled , 05-17-2015 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by iahflyr

I am waiting for the day when our industry catches up with the rest of the country. The day that this line goes to 0% will happen in my lifetime.

Not in this industry, scabflyr. If anything we're growing. Jetblue baby!!

Funny how that graph lines up with the decline of the middle class. The Leave it to Beaver 50's were a bunch of left wing union commies!!!

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tm602 , 05-23-2015 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 727C47

Well said No Sid , the right wing wacko trolls can lump it

I'm not so sure its a right wing issue here. I'm about as far right as one can be but very pro-union. You would do better for yourself to not categorize everyone...that's very "unliberal" of you.

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727C47 , 05-23-2015 07:54 PM

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You are an anomaly, and I'm not a liberal, more off a centrist/realist just appalled by the current state of the GOP. Most of those of the right wing persuasion I have engaged with are anti-Union to the core.