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Quote: Is Jud the rep who said he would vote no because he had the luxury of voting no, since he knew it would pass?
Yes - he said it in open session, for all to hear.
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Quote: Yes - he said it in open session, for all to hear.
BS. You smear merchants aren't gaining ground.

Carl
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Quote: BS. You smear merchants aren't gaining ground.

Carl
Said the keyboard warrior who wasn't there, to the keyboard warrior who was...
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Quote: Said the keyboard warrior who wasn't there, to the keyboard warrior who was...
He didn't say it Doug. You're lying.

Carl
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Quote: He didn't say it Doug. You're lying.

Carl
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Quote: Yes - he said it in open session, for all to hear.
You want to know why he voted No, read his first paragraph. Here, I'll copy and past it for you:

So membership ratification (MEMRAT) voting has begun on the C2015 TA and will end on July 10 at 1100 PST. As I discussed in the last update, I voted NO at the MEC level on passing this to MEMRAT as I felt that given the institutional perspective I had as the Captain Representative and Chairman of C54, a member of the DALPA MEC, and as member of the ALPA National Board of Directors, the proposed TA (in aggregate) did not conform sufficiently to the respective mission statements and direction the Delta pilots had provided. That decision at the institutional level also demanded that, as a MEMRAT voter, I would also have to vote NO as a matter of ethical consistency, even though most of the problematic aspects of the TA would not significantly effect me due to seniority and retirement required in 2019. Again as I previously indicated, my disclosure of my votes is in no way intended to influence your individual MEMRAT vote as that must be based on your personal "kitchen table" discussion—you can either like it, live with it, or find it unacceptable based on your own criteria as that is exactly what MEMRAT is designed to accomplish.

Denny
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Quote: How can you suggest that when what you quoted clearly states that was not the case?

Denny
Maybe we are talking past each other. From what I understand, at the MEC meeting Jud wanted the TA to pass, but when he saw that enough reps were in favor he stated something along the lines of-I have the luxury to vote no, because I know it will pass. Meaning at the MEC. It suggests to me that if he were the swing vote, he would have voted yes.
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Quote: You want to know why he voted No, read his first paragraph. Here, I'll copy and past it for you:

So membership ratification (MEMRAT) voting has begun on the C2015 TA and will end on July 10 at 1100 PST. As I discussed in the last update, I voted NO at the MEC level on passing this to MEMRAT as I felt that given the institutional perspective I had as the Captain Representative and Chairman of C54, a member of the DALPA MEC, and as member of the ALPA National Board of Directors, the proposed TA (in aggregate) did not conform sufficiently to the respective mission statements and direction the Delta pilots had provided. That decision at the institutional level also demanded that, as a MEMRAT voter, I would also have to vote NO as a matter of ethical consistency, even though most of the problematic aspects of the TA would not significantly effect me due to seniority and retirement required in 2019. Again as I previously indicated, my disclosure of my votes is in no way intended to influence your individual MEMRAT vote as that must be based on your personal "kitchen table" discussion—you can either like it, live with it, or find it unacceptable based on your own criteria as that is exactly what MEMRAT is designed to accomplish.

Denny

That's the point. What he is telling his council is not what he apparently was saying at the MEC meeting.
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Quote: That's the point. What he is telling his council is not what he apparently was saying at the MEC meeting.
Like Doug Madsen before you, pure BS. Jud didn't say what you smear merchants are alleging. Why do you have to resort to smears in order to get this passed? Shouldn't a TA stand on its own without this Special Committee stuff?

Carl
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Quote: Maybe we are talking past each other. From what I understand, at the MEC meeting Jud wanted the TA to pass, but when he saw that enough reps were in favor he stated something along the lines of-I have the luxury to vote no, because I know it will pass. Meaning at the MEC. It suggests to me that if he were the swing vote, he would have voted yes.
Sorry that doesn't make sense to me. Why change your vote when it doesn't matter?

Denny
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