Delta to buy stake in China Eastern Airlines - Page 11

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Big E 757 , 07-30-2015 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon7

That doesn't limit the Company from predominantly displaying the Delta livery on an international partner's aircraft. Look at all the aircraft on DCI. They are all painted in Delta colors. Why not these Chinese carriers? What language in our contract prevents it? I don't think Delta even needs to ask anyone.

The contract requires the word "connection" to be prominently displayed. Remember a few years back they tried to make the word connection painted in a very shuttle grey that wasn't noticeable at all. The union brought this little nugget up to management and they corrected it with a darker color.

#102

BenderRodriguez , 07-30-2015 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by texavia

Do you realize the only people on the planet that will trade profit for pay rates are pilots, everyone says FUPM, the PS is entirely separate.

Put this on a poster and let's see if it still true when the company falls back into hard times. Or do you still believe Enron will make a comeback too?

I don't think PS should have been traded in section 6, but to make a blanket statement that it is basically verboten to touch it at all is lunacy.

#103

SawF16 , 07-30-2015 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

Right now profit sharing is tied to the profit of the entire company and all its revenue generating profitable entities. You are getting a share of Trainer profits, Delta vacations profits, VA profits, etc. and soon 5 other airlines profits. All without reporting to work. If JVs are continually violated and outsourced to our subsidiaries you will get a portion of that too. If your compensation is rates only, or less PS that cuts the effectiveness of the outsourcing "claw back."

Not to mention if profits are reduced and things turn worse we have an excellent shock absorber before they get to rate concessions. Management compensation is also tied to profit so we are aligning our pay with managements. They have a vested interest in continuing the current excellent financial performance.

Except you don't get any of that without reporting for work. (As alluded to by you above). Your share of the profit sharing is directly tied to your work hours, in exactly the same way it is with the equivalent cash in rates. Except if the profit dries up, you get nothing w PS.

If you don't believe me about the "without reporting for work", take a month or two off later this year and then compare your PS check to your peers in Feb.

#104

notEnuf , 07-30-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez

Agreed. Don't trade it in section 6. If we are required to give concessions in the future what do you think they will offer in return?

#105

notEnuf , 07-30-2015 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SawF16

I don't wear a hard hat and work in PA, but I get a piece of that profit. I don't speak Mandarin either but... The point is you get 20+% this year, and no I make money on reserve without showing up.

#106

texavia , 07-30-2015 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez

T there ain't no profits to share in hard times, maybe you need Accounting 101, and unless you roll over, it takes a judge to change a contract pay rate, but you already know about rolling over, don't you T?

Enron? *** does Enron have to do with the subject at hand? Is that some sort bogeyman you use to spread FUD with?

Enron was liquidated, are you saying company is facing the same fate?

Get a grip T.

#107

sailingfun , 07-30-2015 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by newKnow

I'm not sure who's doing the overlooking here.

Were medical records subject to be released after 24/56 sick days in a rolling 365/1095 day period, before the failed TA?

Or, is this something you guys are leaving out -- again?

This part was red in the TA that I got (which I was told means it was new.):

So, is the "medical release threshold" and the triggers associated with it, a new concept, or not?

If so, it was an important change from what we have now.

The 2001.contract required a pilot to release his medical records after 7 consecutive days on sick status. There were fewer protections in that release and who could see it.

#108

Falcon7 , 07-30-2015 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Big E 757

That may be mostly true, but the contract only states; "Delta Connection flying aircraft will only bear the name “Delta” as part of a phrase
14 referencing a Connection-type operation." And that's only in section 1.D. which is limited to DCI flying.

Section 1.E, which relates to international partner flying has no such language or protections. At least I don't see any limitation on the placing of the Delta brand, logo or livery on an aircraft doing international partner flying in our contract. Can anyone find it?

#109

newKnow , 07-30-2015 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

You overlook that the sick leave change most vilified on here is the medical records release. That was agreed to in contract 2001 and is in effect right now. A group intentially attributed that to TA 15 and played it up as a massive concession when it's been in effect since 2001.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

The 2001.contract required a pilot to release his medical records after 7 consecutive days on sick status. There were fewer protections in that release and who could see it.

Is that provision in effect with the contract we are operating under right now?

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sailingfun , 07-30-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by newKnow

Is that provision in effect with the contract we are operating under right now?

Yes, however we improved it to 15 days in contract 2012 but added that the medical records release would apply to any trip the company required verification on in addition to the 15 day rule. Not sure which is better.