Delta to buy stake in China Eastern Airlines
07-31-2015, 06:57 AM
#121
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Sailing, you are leaving out a bunch of Easter eggs that made na15 far more onerous and privacy-negative than previous sick leave provisions. Especially regarding what triggered the company to compel us to grant a release.
Why would you do that?
Why would you do that?
07-31-2015, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Please post those. In the 2001 contract the company could basically ask for your medical records any time they wanted to if you called in sick.
07-31-2015, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Howgozit
In the contract 2012 they could not, and T.A. 15 they could. How's that an improvement?
07-31-2015, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Howgozit
In the contract 2012 they could not, and T.A. 15 they could. How's that an improvement?
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-Pr
TA15
G. Medical Release Requirement A 1. The DHS or his designee may request further information from a pilot who is required to verifyregarding his sickness or may require a pilot to provide a medical 8 release when: a. a pilot's sick leave exceeds a medical release threshold, or b. verification is required, or has been sought under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide 2., and the Company withDHS is not able to assess the medical basis for the use of sick leave. Note: Prior to requiring a medical release, the pilot must first be provided with an additional opportunity to submit verification that is acceptable to the DHS. 2. A medical release will be limited to a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited toto the DHS for: 1a. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, and 2b. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and. 3. If, following the review of information provided pursuant to a medical release, the DHS is not able to satisfactorily assess the medical basis for the use of sick leave, the release may be expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice- President of Flight Operations.
Edit: cut and pasted same section twice by mistake. Fixed
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07-31-2015, 09:24 AM
#126
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Contact 2012
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-Pr
TA15
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilotA pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s)-) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Company's Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-President of Flight Operations.
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-Pr
TA15
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilotA pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s)-) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Company's Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-President of Flight Operations.
Originally Posted by newKnow
SF,
So, you are saying we had a threshold to release our medical records in 2001 and it went from 7 days to 15 days with C2012, and that's what we are operating under now?
I can't speak for the contract you had in 2001, but I have had the TA and C2012 downloaded for some time and I just don't see this. Can you point me in the right direction?
So, you are saying we had a threshold to release our medical records in 2001 and it went from 7 days to 15 days with C2012, and that's what we are operating under now?
I can't speak for the contract you had in 2001, but I have had the TA and C2012 downloaded for some time and I just don't see this. Can you point me in the right direction?
Did you see my last post?
07-31-2015, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Contact 2012
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-Pr
TA15
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilotA pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s)-) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Company's Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-President of Flight Operations.
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-Pr
TA15
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilotA pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s)-) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Company's Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-President of Flight Operations.
Do you see your second Section 14 F.4.?
I only have the red letter version of TA15 and it shows the .4 as being crossed out. Once again, an important distinction.
Maybe it was updated during the voting process? Because, in TA2015, the reference to 14. F. 4. doesn't really make sense. Do you show this as well?
07-31-2015, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I guess I'll ask again...
Where does the 15 consecutive day requirement attach to the Medical Release requirement in C2012, Sailing?
Did you see my last post?
Where does the 15 consecutive day requirement attach to the Medical Release requirement in C2012, Sailing?
Did you see my last post?
The medical records release has been widely stated to be new to TA15.
07-31-2015, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Not really sure what you are asking. There is a 15 consecutive day requirement to verify in contract 2012 improved from 7 in prior contracts. In all the contracts the company can ask for verification on a good faith basis for any illness and a medical records release.
The medical records release has been widely stated to be new to TA15.
The medical records release has been widely stated to be new to TA15.
07-31-2015, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Not really sure what you are asking. There is a 15 consecutive day requirement to verify in contract 2012 improved from 7 in prior contracts. In all the contracts the company can ask for verification on a good faith basis for any illness and a medical records release.
The medical records release has been widely stated to be new to TA15.
The medical records release has been widely stated to be new to TA15.
Please just throw up your hands in frustration that all the rocket surgeons can't see the sick leave improvement in NA15.
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