80ktsClamp

You've discredited yourself significantly with this. Sailing's record is beyond terrible.... bad info, worse interpretation, terrible typos, and overall just rambling. He embodies what he accuses web boards of being.

You might want to back track a bit after this one...

newKnow

No sir. Legally speaking, the medical release requirement combined with the new language that was in TA 2015 was an entirely different animal.

And if you don't believe that, if it wasn't, why would the company want it in the new contract?


Think about it.

newKnow

Once again, Sea. You have to ask yourself, "Was it being abused?" And if it was, why would the company, and not the union, be the one who insisted in the change in the language of the contract?


There is probably a good reason why it wasn't.


Think about it.

newKnow

Ok. So, was what Sailing said about the medical release requirement correct?


Can the company now ask us to release our medical records solely based on the fact that we called in 15 days or more in a row?



Have you noticed how Sailingfun won't answer any of my questions?

newKnow

Refer to post # 120. Maybe you can take over for him....

Denny Crane

Any way, that's my take!

Denny

newKnow

I'm sure you are right.

...and Im sure there's a reason why "they" won't answer.


Could it be that Sailing fun was wrong?

sailingfun

Perhaps because you can look them up yourself in 30 seconds.

No the company can't do that. They can do it any time you call in sick if they believe they have a good faith reason to do so which can cover just about anything.
TA15 changes that to exceeding a threshold. Good faith for any illness goes away.


23 F. Notification/Verification of Sickness 1. A pilot will notify Crew Scheduling upon becoming aware:a. that, due to sickness, he will be unable to perform duty or be available on an on-call day, b. of a period of known sick leave and known accident leave so that Crew Scheduling may post it as a known absence, and c. that he is well. Note: A pilot is not required to state the nature of his illness to Crew Scheduling. 2. A pilot may verify any sickness by providing to his Chief Pilot or the Chief Pilot Support Center either a doctor's certificate or other proof of illness. At its option, the Company may require a doctor's certificate to satisfy verification under Section 14 F. 2., 3., or 43. Verification of sickness under Section 14 F. 2. is required when: 1 a. a pilot has used more than 100 hours of unverified sick leave in a sick leave year, or 2 b. a pilot has been absent on a single sick occurrence for 15 or more consecutive days. 3 4. When individual circumstances exist that give the Company a good faith basis to inquire 4 regarding the medical reason for a pilot's use of sick leave, such pilot may be required to 5 state the nature of his illness in general terms to his Chief Pilot. Following such 6 discussion, the Chief Pilot may:a. consider the current sick leave occurrence to be verified, or b. require verification of sickness from the pilot under Section 14 F. 2. Note: Such individual circumstances may not be derived solely from the amount of sick leave used by the pilot or the frequency of his sick occurrences. 5. In the event the Company requires a doctor's certificate for verification, a pilot may submit a reimbursement claim through DBMS for any reasonable expense incurred in obtaining such verification. G. Medical Release Requirement A pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information (release), provided the release is limited to: 1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave, 2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and 3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director – Health Services and the Senior Vice-President of Flight Operations. H. Effect on Monthly Bidding

Purple Drank

Observe the concerted effort by the company's proxies here to downplay NA15's draconian sick leave changes.

They want it badly. This ain't over yet.

Sailingfud claimed to vote "no" because of those changes. Now he's ok with them--and trying to get us on board!Things that make you go "hmmm."

Hank Kingsley

"Was it being abused"? Excellent question, and since the union said it confirmed this with their independent investigation, we should be shown the evidence.

I think this was all about productivity. Regardless, wrong approach to fix a "problem". The first round of verified sick leave was conceded last contract. This is step 2. Step 3 will be what?

I guess it takes a good ole case of Malaria from your African luxury layover to prove your sick. Where's the over ride for flying there? Or additional life insurance? Do the admin types buy your Africa trip to stay current?