I am so weary of the heroic no voter and the selfish yes voter crap. I voted no, does that make me heroic? But I was selfishly thinking of what was best for me. I have to wonder what stake you have in this one, StarClipper, you don't even work for FedEx. Are you just trying to stir things up, now that it's done and there is nothing we can do about it but try to ensure the contract is followed?

Or are you annoyed that we didn't hold out for enough, as to hold up a standard for others in the industry? If that is so, I can't imagine a more selfish perspective. Don't vote for your family, or even for the other pilots in the company. Vote for my interests, though I won't even work under this contract, because it might eventually help me get a better deal.

Ok back to your regularly scheduled program. Does anyone have a wag on the approximate dollar amount of the scope payments per pilot? Are we talking tens of dollars, hundreds?

Heard on the crew bus that it was costing the company $1.2 million a month in penalties.

To be conservative, figure 4 months of penalties and divide by 4,500 pilots. Ends up at just over $1,000 per pilot.

Read the earlier post, I only commented on Albie statement of guy flying draft. FDXLAG choose to interpret it the way he wants

So your point is voting on a contract is only a team player action if you vote no (depending on whether it benefits starclipper). Voting yes is an anti team player action like flying draft. I interpret the way it is written.

You can see the Southern Cross heading South to Singapore. In fact, you can see it during the late spring-summer from South of 25 degrees North latitude.

Now, back to *****in'.


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Are you really that dense, or are you just pretending in order to stir up trouble?


The issue is not Yes or No, fly or not, complain or gush compliments -- the issue is the rationale behind the action.

Aaron complained that he witnessed guys flying draft, and blamed them for our inability to get negotiate a better TA ... he accused them of negotiating against us. Starclipper pointed out those draft flyers may have been using the same logic to fly those draft trips as Aaron used to endorse the TA. Aaron posted at length to explain that voting FOR the TA was the best choice for HIM and HIS family. The draft flyer most likely felt that flying that trip was the best choice for HIM and HIS family. Of course, without asking him and allowing him to answer, we won't know. We can throw stones, but then that would sound like the criticism in the first post that Aaron chose to ... criticize.


We can choose to act like 4,500 individuals, or we can choose to act like one family. Here's the difference.

An individual votes YES or NO based on what is good for 1 person, that person. I don't fly the X airplane, I don't care about rules that only affect the X airplane. I only fly intra-Asia, I don't care about how "lie-flat" seats may affect ocean-crossers. I don't plan to use International Hotel-in-lieu-of, I don't care how it affects guys chasing girls around Asia. If the work rule doesn't apply to ME, I don't care how it affects anyone else.

A team player votes YES or NO based on what is good for 4,500 family members. I don't fly the X airplane, but I have 500 brothers and sisters who do, and I care about rules that will harm them. I only fly intra-Asia, but I have 4,300 brothers and sisters that don't, and I care about rules that affect them, too. I don't plan to use International Hotel-in-lieu of, but I'm not willing to concede that benefit if even one of my brothers will be harmed by the concession. Not every work rule applies to ME, but they all apply to US, and that's what family does -- we guard each others' backs.


The glaring irony that I think Starclipper picked up on is that Aaron began his post with "I really wonder why this pilot group is so quick to shoot at the guys on the same team." and in the very next sentence took a shot at the "*(&% 767 schoolhouse LCAs out here in Asia on draft." Last I checked, they're on the same team, too. And if they're looking out for themselves, how does that make them any different from the majority of their ... brothers?






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Perhaps you're thinking of Prof2MDA.



So, you're saying the vast majority of pilots hired are FedEx, Delta, SWA, and UAL got there without paying for your help? I had no idea.






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There was pilot...SM...who went by profile. He gave me a lot of insight into life at FedEx and how the system worked. I didn't understand the name until years later when I went to the -11.

Lots of good guys back then...more help and less venom on the boards.

Tony, I don't know you. I probably have never met you. But I disagree with most of what you post in this forum. I DO NOT WANT you, or people who think like you to try to guess what is best for our FedEx team. You have no idea what is best for me or a majority of people like me who decided to vote yes on this contract. In fact, the supreme arrogance of someone who thinks they do know what is best for people they've never even met before is a key disqualifier for that person to vote on anyone's behalf. Claiming some kind of misguided status as a savior of the ignorant masses who are too stupid to understand your point of view is a weak cop out for being unable to actually convince a majority of people that your view is correct.
Despite your time working for ALPA, you somehow missed the fact we participate in a democratic process. In a democratic process, decisions are made by individuals who collectively produce a majority vote. If every single member of our FedEx pilot team voted on the TA based on whether or not the TA met their personal approval, than the process worked exactly as it is supposed to. Every voter had an equal opportunity to study all the issues, and every voter had an equal opportunity to cast a vote on their own behalf. When the votes are counted, the collective decision of the majority wins. And that means a majority of the team wins. You, of all people, know that sometimes votes go your way, and sometimes they don't. If you really, truly, cared about your "brothers", you would honor their decision and stop building ivory towers to pontificate from.