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#31

BDGERJMN , 04-14-2016 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

Not really. The world is different now. In another AOR that bird would have been splashed for sure. It's really putting the CO on the spot to trust the Russian's skill and make assumptions about their intentions. If he guesses wrong, he might not get to see his kids again. He might just decide "eff that guy, I'm going home to my kids". BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP. The button is right under his hand. Dangerous, dangerous game.

What AOR are you talking about? CENTCOM? PACOM? No chance, Paddles!

#32

Otterbox , 04-14-2016 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SayAlt

Actually, since the ridiculously labeled and totally inaccurate "End of the Cold War", Russia has been mostly benign and our respective militaries have been downright friendly with one another. Being broke and domestically (inwardly) focused does this to a military (Russia).

Only recently (since Russian invaded Crimea in 2014, in fact) has Russia returned to being so provocative with incidents like this, as anyone who reads and kept up with world news knows.

It's really simple. Flying within a mile or two of a warship at 1,000' or higher can be considered "normal", particularly when paralleling the ship's heading (ie. symbolically <and militaries are very symbolic> the gun barrels are not pointing at the vessel). In contrast, screaming in below the horizon at combat speeds perpendicular to the ship's heading and passing over the ship's deck at less than 100' is as "aggressive", provocative, unnecessary, and dangerous as it gets.

2014- present is recent history.

What they're doing isn't smart but it certainly isn't worth shooting them down over.

#33

MartinBishop , 04-14-2016 09:48 AM

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The Russian government should stay in their part of the world, and the US government should stay its part of the world.

#34

SayAlt , 04-14-2016 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Otterbox

This really isn't unexpected or unusual when you look at how our interactions have been with the Russians in recent history.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt
Actually, since the ridiculously labeled and totally inaccurate "End of the Cold War", Russia has been mostly benign and our respective militaries have been downright friendly with one another. Being broke and domestically (inwardly) focused does this to a military (Russia).

Only recently (since Russian invaded Crimea in 2014, in fact) has Russia returned to being so provocative with incidents like this, as anyone who reads and kept up with world news knows.

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Originally Posted by Otterbox
2014- present is recent history.

I see the problem here. You are suggesting that this kind of thing has become the new normal vs. what it was in the previous decade+. I showed why that wasn't true.

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Originally Posted by Otterbox

What they're doing isn't smart but it certainly isn't worth shooting them down over.

Someone who jumps to the last (currently this) page of the thread without reading the prior pages might assume I had suggested that in a previous post.

I did not.

Thx

#35

USMCFLYR , 04-14-2016 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SayAlt

What would be considered a 'strafing run'? Honest question.

Honest answer.....

Not level.........
(though I admit not knowing the installed angle of the gun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-6-23)

I wonder if the US is reciprocating with some type of flights of our own - shown on Russian TV of course

#36

SayAlt , 04-14-2016 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinBishop

The Russian government should stay in their part of the world, and the US government should stay its part of the world.

Ahhh, an isolationist. Good luck with that.

#37

Packrat , 04-14-2016 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinBishop

The Russian government should stay in their part of the world, and the US government should stay its part of the world.

Every nation has the freedom to navigate the seas of the world outside of territorial waters. What do you think the whole Spratley Islands debate is about?

#38

USMCFLYR , 04-14-2016 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinBishop

The Russian government should stay in their part of the world, and the US government should stay its part of the world.

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Originally Posted by SayAlt

Ahhh, an isolationist. Good luck with that.

Now that is some OLD CORPS view of the world there.

The poster probably likes a Colonial style house with little walled off individual rooms too!

Plus - as SayAlt said: The US was conducting joint military operations with the Polish military. One article pondered that maybe the pass was as much a *how ya doin'* to the Poles than a message to the US.

#39

SayAlt , 04-14-2016 10:14 AM

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I'd bet 100-to-1 we aren't.

Remember, "global warming is now the greatest threat facing America today", according to the people who can't even launch a website that works with $100 million in funding + 4 years to accomplish the task.

#40

tomgoodman , 04-14-2016 11:39 AM

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The Russians have been straying into our "part of the world" for quite a while...