Hope springs eternal in the human breast-

Alexander Pope, circa 1734

"4 months"?:confused::confused::confused:

Republic signed theirs more recently retroactive to the beginning of the year.
9e has had the bonus for years but only put it in their hourly wage at the beginning of the year. We are 4 months behind in the timeline (and counting)

Until that happened the pay package we were negotiating a year ago had hourly pay rates in the top tier, even the ALPA magazine showed that.
I’m ready to get paid more but it will take time IMO.

Only 2 out of what 10 regionals have significantly recently raised real wages.

I cannot see, in any way, SkyWest ever coming close to what Republic or Endeavor pays. Our management refuse to see the value of the pilot, and view themselves as the true asset to this airline.

Because the pilot group has zero negotiating strength and no unified leverage, the situation will never change.

They say "never bring a knife to a gun fight", SAPA has brought dirt clods to a nuclear war (management).

We're doomed!

Maybe.
But OO is also profiting more than ever before thought possible for a regional. While that doesn’t necessitate higher pay it is the first and very necessary step toward it.

Skywest: FO 37, 39, 41, Ca 63, 66, 69

Horizon: FO 40, 46, 47, Ca 70, 72, 74

Compass : FO 41, 42, 45, Ca 73, 76, 78

Endeavor FO 50, 56, 60, Ca 84, 86, 88

Envoy. FO 38, 40, 41, Ca 65, 67, 69

Republic FO. 45, 50, 51. Ca. 77, 79, 81

And these don't count retention bonuses

You’ve got Endeavor a bit low. More than 2/3rds of our pilots are on the 900 pay scale which is about $3 more an hour.

The company is profiting off our backs, I couldn't give a damn how much they make!

There is no amount of profit they could make, they would still screw their employees!

Thanks for the economics advice, Chip!

I appreciate you putting the pay rates together. It looks like we are about a 10 spot behind some and 20 from where we *should be*(100/hour CA is the min i'd like to see in the near term) and we are maybe about the same as the WOs.
I don't argue the amount we trail, only that 9e rates will take time. Not to be obtuse but this actually helps solidify my view point, meaning when did compass move 10 spot ahead of us in pay? That pay change had to be with in the last 4 months. These are recent changes and hopefully these negotiations will boost us 20 and not 10.

SkyW announced 1 Quarter profits this afternoon and net income came to about 20 million more this quarter than last. Like I said before the money is here now. The tricky part is (loose bad prognosticating example-only math alert) if we divvy up 80 million for the year among 4,500 pilots we are simply looking at a 20 spot situation which then leaves nothing to attract mechanics or dispatchers. A.K.A. low probability. A variable there though is that the top 25% of our pilot group would not really benefit from matching 9e because they are already matched.

I believe it was actually September, about the same time they tacked on their all comers $17,500 new hire bonus. And of course, most of these other regionals also have new hire and/or retention bonuses. Even regionals like Mesa who has similar sucky pay rates to Skywest is at least putting out bonuses to get people in the door and promising them quick upgrades and/or retention pay. Skywest seems to just be falling farther and farther behind.