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SEMIslave 06-10-2018 04:03 AM
Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 2611550)
Delta isn’t scoped out on 50 seat flying...
Pretty sure they are scoped out. 125 50 seaters and last I checked they were there.

zondaracer 06-10-2018 04:23 AM
Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 2611550)
Delta isn’t scoped out on 50 seat flying...
Delta has actually had to remove 50 seat flying to meet scope. Their scope clause had trigger points requiring the reduction of 50 seat aircraft, which allowed more 70/76 seat aircraft. As said above, magic number is 125 50-seat aircraft.

KSCessnaDriver 06-10-2018 08:16 AM
Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 2611666)
Delta has actually had to remove 50 seat flying to meet scope. Their scope clause had trigger points requiring the reduction of 50 seat aircraft, which allowed more 70/76 seat aircraft. As said above, magic number is 125 50-seat aircraft.
My understanding if it’s 125 lines of 50 seat flying, not hulls. I’ve never got a solid answer on if the OO at-risk counts against that.

calmwinds 06-10-2018 09:55 AM
Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2610436)
Hmm. Don't know what to say. Here is the URL for where I got my info:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300645286.html

And an identical posting in the New York Times business section:

SkyWest, Inc. Reports Combined April 2018 Traffic for SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet Airlines - New York Times

Both allegedly also include express jet numbers...
The source for both these reports is a news release by SkyWest, Inc. itself. This seems extremely reliable as a source.

A couple of interesting things. XJT flying is down 40% year-over-year and SKW flying is up 15% year-over-year. I think the shocker was that XJT's 135/145 fleet for UAX is down 28% and that is despite United hiring 23 XJT pilots into their June new hire class through the CPP. I can see why DL and AA are both pulling the plug on XJT with corporate's blessing. At that rate of collapse in flying, XJT's cancellation of the UAX flying will be the year after next at the latest.

blockplus 06-10-2018 10:23 AM
Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2611573)

Is UAL over on 76-seat aircraft or 70-seat aircraft? How are RAH’s and SKW’s owned aircraft factored in, inside or outside the count?
There are 104 70 seat aircraft on cpa's. The 76 seat count is 153.

calmwinds 06-10-2018 10:38 AM
Originally Posted by blockplus (Post 2611798)
There are 104 70 seat aircraft on cpa's. The 76 seat count is 153.
257 aircraft versus the agreed maximum 255 aircraft with a 70/76 configuration. Means that the 104 70 seaters needs to be dropped to 102. I would not think it would be a problem to sit 2 700's. I know United has at least one 175 that is still just sitting because of scope.

Geardownflaps30 06-10-2018 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2611801)
257 aircraft versus the agreed maximum 255 aircraft with a 70/76 configuration. Means that the 104 70 seaters needs to be dropped to 102. I would not think it would be a problem to sit 2 700's. I know United has at least one 175 that is still just sitting because of scope.
FYI. Two formerly united YX birds are being repainted in Delta livery to reduce the UAL count by two and add two spares to the DL flying.

Coincidence?! Think about it.

Excargodog 06-10-2018 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Cazadores (Post 2611477)
My understanding is United and Delta contract language restricts the use of larger aircraft at regional partners at all airlines, meaning if an airline desired to fly larger RJs for Alaska they would have to sever ties with UA and DL.


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I don't believe that Horizon, Alaska's wholly owned, has any ties with UA or DL.

calmwinds 06-10-2018 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2611927)
I don't believe that Horizon, Alaska's wholly owned, has any ties with UA or DL.
He is saying if SKW starts flying larger jets for anyone that our contract with UA and DL allows UA or DL to terminate SKW’s flying for them. So, no direct connection between Alaska - just a cause and effect.

rickair7777 06-11-2018 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2611950)
He is saying if SKW starts flying larger jets for anyone that our contract with UA and DL allows UA or DL to terminate SKW’s flying for them. So, no direct connection between Alaska - just a cause and effect.
Correct. So SKW is not going to jeopardize the vast majority of their flying to take on a fewer bigger jets for AS (or anyone else).

That's the way the DL and UA managers and unions intended for their scope to work.


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