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BrewCity 06-11-2018 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2612146)
Correct. So SKW is not going to jeopardize the vast majority of their flying to take on a fewer bigger jets for AS (or anyone else).

That's the way the DL and UA managers and unions intended for their scope to work.

What's stopping Skywest inc from opening an alter ego to fly large RJs for Alaska?

amcnd 06-11-2018 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by BrewCity (Post 2612162)
What's stopping Skywest inc from opening an alter ego to fly large RJs for Alaska?

Delta’s scope language is.....

calmwinds 06-11-2018 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by BrewCity (Post 2612162)
What's stopping Skywest inc from opening an alter ego to fly large RJs for Alaska?

It might be possible. Any alter ego would probably have to be completely separate. Separate employee group. Separate 121 certificate. And, then you risk upsetting your customers by skirting their agreement.

BrewCity 06-11-2018 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2612185)
It might be possible. Any alter ego would probably have to be completely separate. Separate employee group. Separate 121 certificate. And, then you risk upsetting your customers by skirting their agreement.

You'd certainly upset your labor, but I don't think American/Delta/United management would care at all. We have historical precedent set by TSA/GoJet and Chautauqua/Shuttle/Republic.

rickair7777 06-11-2018 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by BrewCity (Post 2612162)
What's stopping Skywest inc from opening an alter ego to fly large RJs for Alaska?

Nothing in theory.

But in reality it would likely poison the relationship with DL/UA/AA. SGU knows which side of their bread is buttered.

Also this is not a good time to start up regional/ULCC airlines. There's a pilot shortage at levels below legacy/big-6, but the FAA will require experienced 121 PICs at a startup, so any pilots who would be willing to do it for startup/regional wages would be badly substandard, or would very quickly unionize and demand what they're worth. The juice would not be worth the squeeze. Maybe someday, but not right now.

amcnd 06-11-2018 08:28 AM

Delta is SkyWests biggest agreement. They would not upset DL just to fly a handful of over 76 seat aircraft for AS...

Excargodog 06-11-2018 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2612251)
Delta is SkyWests biggest agreement. They would not upset DL just to fly a handful of over 76 seat aircraft for AS...

I agree, which again wouldn't stop Horizon. But we are slightly off track. The original issue wasn't one of scope, it was about the trend for regionals to fly larger jets, allowing in Skywest's case (and others) for more passenger miles from fewer block hours. It begs the question whether this is coincidental or driven by the dearth of highly qualified regional applicants, since a 76 seat aircraft requires the same number of pilots as a 50 seat aircraft.

Certainly, some markets might be more economically served - at least from a fuel standpoint - by 50 seat jets - but just as clearly these aircraft appear to be being increasingly replaced by the larger aircraft, be they Embraer/Maybe-soon-Boeing or Bombardier/Airbus.

At least to the extent that current scope limitations allow.

rickair7777 06-11-2018 09:05 AM

Up-gauging to alleviate a pilot shortage might not be limited just to the regionals.

The only downside is pax lose frequency options, which will put you at a competitive disadvantage if someone else will provide that frequency.

N1234 06-11-2018 10:06 AM

There are a couple of things at play:

DL scope has some trigger points that is actually shifting towards larger regional aircraft on average. Total RJs go down but the mix shifts towards dual class at the expense of 50 seaters. So the result is a higher average seat count per aircraft.

AA has a scope language that defines large RJ as larger than 65 seats. I predict that you will see a lot of 50 seaters being replaces by 65 seaters. This will also increase the average seat count per RJ.

SKYW INC is taking or shifting all dual class to the airline side while reducing 50 seaters on the XJT side. So the result is fewer overall block hours at INC level. Probably less ASM at INC level but all growth with OO.


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