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saxman66 08-07-2018 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Kent (Post 2649667)
Any ideas if and when another proposal will be put forward? Was that it?

I'm not that optimistic about them coming forward so soon. I think it's going to take a total meltdown of staffing and irrops for them to come back to the table. If not, I'll just enjoy the bonuses that we'll continue to get that we otherwise wouldn't have had we voted yes. It seems the trend now is that more FO's are leaving than captains. I'm not sure whether it's mostly training failures or them leaving to take the bonus and better work rules at other regionals. Perhaps a little of both.

amcnd 08-07-2018 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by saxman66 (Post 2650818)
I'm not that optimistic about them coming forward so soon. I think it's going to take a total meltdown of staffing and irrops for them to come back to the table. If not, I'll just enjoy the bonuses that we'll continue to get that we otherwise wouldn't have had we voted yes. It seems the trend now is that more FO's are leaving than captains. I'm not sure whether it's mostly training failures or them leaving to take the bonus and better work rules at other regionals. Perhaps a little of both.

Looking at the numbers. Its Equal CA/FO’s. There are high number of people with emp#’s that leave. That didn’t go to training (cadets) left training or didn’t make it through training...think this month they just “purged” the system of those guys. Thats why it looked like a higher number then usual..

Blackwing 08-07-2018 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Cefiro (Post 2650198)
Can’t speak to Mesa stuff, but this is 100% true. I think their philosophy is to hire everyone and attempt to weed out during training.


And yet the company still cannot hire as many as they'd like. They aren't filling classes. People are no-showing for interviews.

amcnd 08-07-2018 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 2650908)
And yet the company still cannot hire as many as they'd like. They aren't filling classes. People are no-showing for interviews.

Yesterday in SLC 7 in-person (1no show) 1 Australia Skype. Not sure about DEN interviews

word302 08-07-2018 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2650828)
Looking at the numbers. Its Equal CA/FO’s. There are high number of people with emp#’s that leave. That didn’t go to training (cadets) left training or didn’t make it through training...think this month they just “purged” the system of those guys. Thats why it looked like a higher number then usual..

Cadets don’t show up on the seniority list until after they start class.

rickair7777 08-08-2018 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2650913)
Yesterday in SLC 7 in-person (1no show) 1 Australia Skype. Not sure about DEN interviews

That's about what they were doing during the heydey 2006-2007.

Excargodog 08-08-2018 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2651132)
That's about what they were doing during the heydey 2006-2007.

Except those same people are interviewing - and being accepted - lots of other places. A lot of people do backup interviews. I interviewed and got CJOs from three different regionals - including Skywest - before I accepted an offer. Skywest was only a backup, never my primary, even though I qualified for their bonus.

rickair7777 08-08-2018 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2651209)
Except those same people are interviewing - and being accepted - lots of other places. A lot of people do backup interviews. I interviewed and got CJOs from three different regionals - including Skywest - before I accepted an offer. Skywest was only a backup, never my primary, even though I qualified for their bonus.

That's likely true. But back in the day they didn't hire all comers either.

DelTacoBowl 08-08-2018 09:48 AM

People can say what they want about candidates not showing up etc etc, but the reality is total number of pilots on the seniority list hit 4600 in early 2018 and as of today is 4663. That means they have matched attrition. To date, their is no major collapse of pilot manning as predicted by so many all year. I think this proves that bases, not pay, are the most valuable recruiting tool for the regional industry. OO gots lots.

word302 08-08-2018 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by DelTacoBowl (Post 2651245)
People can say what they want about candidates not showing up etc etc, but the reality is total number of pilots on the seniority list hit 4600 in early 2018 and as of today is 4663. That means they have matched attrition. To date, their is no major collapse of pilot manning as predicted by so many all year. I think this proves that bases, not pay, are the most valuable recruiting tool for the regional industry. OO gots lots.

Meh. We'll see what happens in the next 6 months. There are regionals paying much better than us in almost every one of our bases. Word is getting out quickly that, while FOs may get the base of their choosing, upgrades can go to any base as long as it's LGA, DTW, or ATL. You can hold CA on the west coast 5 years sooner at Compass or Horizon.


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