Upgrade under 1 year again....
10-03-2018, 09:30 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Ace66
It is a big deal. I've flown with one and it wasn't pretty.
It's done at the majors all the time but those guys have way more than 1000 hours of 121 time and have flown multiple 121 aircraft. The guy's comment was "1000 hours of 121 time + upgrade in new jet = not a good idea".
I know of a guy who upgraded on the CRJ from the ERJ but he had a couple of years under his belt. Very sharp guy. For the average guy (and that's most of us) not a good idea.
Take a 1000 hour ERJ FO from ORD, upgrade him on the CRJ, and then throw him into some of the tricky airports out West - not a good idea....
It's done at the majors all the time but those guys have way more than 1000 hours of 121 time and have flown multiple 121 aircraft. The guy's comment was "1000 hours of 121 time + upgrade in new jet = not a good idea".
I know of a guy who upgraded on the CRJ from the ERJ but he had a couple of years under his belt. Very sharp guy. For the average guy (and that's most of us) not a good idea.
Take a 1000 hour ERJ FO from ORD, upgrade him on the CRJ, and then throw him into some of the tricky airports out West - not a good idea....
10-03-2018, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
I still completely disagree. Those who aren't ready at 1000 SIC likely aren't ready at 2000. a jet is a jet. This job just ain't really that hard. I've flown them both, one isn't particularly more complex than the other, just different. Plenty of people have made the exact transition you're talking about with 0 issues.
10-03-2018, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
Why risk a possible checkride failure just so you can fly an ERJ for a bit? If it makes passing an upgrade checkride even 1% more difficult why bother with the ERJ in the first place. I’m all about risk mitigation.
10-03-2018, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
If you're all about risk mitigation you're in the wrong industry.To answer your question we have bases that are ERJ only. If taking the ERJ means being home-based or a better commute while on FO pay, it's a no-brainer.
10-03-2018, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
Because it's not really that big of a deal.
I would approach this thinking with caution. I fly the E170 now, but I’m thinking about upgrading onto a different aircraft (CRJ7/9, or E145). I would want at least a few hundred hours in the right seat to act as transition training before upgrade. The differences between the aircraft could get you in trouble.
10-04-2018, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
Those who aren't ready at 1000 SIC likely aren't ready at 2000. a jet is a jet. This job just ain't really that hard.
Whoa dude. Everyone has a different learning curve which is also dependent on exposure to events (some pilots never have an issue and have easy flying for the first 1000 hours). Some learn slower but deeper and others learn faster and sometimes stop learning at a shallow level so faster does not necessarily mean better.
Most Captains (at least the good ones) think that upgrading at 1000 hours is f'n crazy.
"This job just ain't really that hard." I guess you haven't had your "dark and stormy night" flight yet.....
10-04-2018, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ace66
Whoa dude. Everyone has a different learning curve which is also dependent on exposure to events (some pilots never have an issue and have easy flying for the first 1000 hours). Some learn slower but deeper and others learn faster and sometimes stop learning at a shallow level so faster does not necessarily mean better.
Most Captains (at least the good ones) think that upgrading at 1000 hours is f'n crazy.
"This job just ain't really that hard." I guess you haven't had your "dark and stormy night" flight yet.....
Most Captains (at least the good ones) think that upgrading at 1000 hours is f'n crazy.
"This job just ain't really that hard." I guess you haven't had your "dark and stormy night" flight yet.....
10-09-2018, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 01Echo
Thanks, that doesn't sound too bad. Is it my understanding for those starting with a 1,000 hour restricted ATP will have to wait until 2,500 TT for upgrade instead of just 1,000 121 time (2,000 TT)?
10-10-2018, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by trip
F/Os who've only flown the ERJ have trouble upgrading into the CRJ, less automation, not as user friendly, especially the 200.
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