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Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2691390)
I agree. As someone pointed out these same people (including me) that started 20 years ago came to SkyWest with the assumption of making 60k a year max flying a turbo prop... Most these guys are making 160k a year+... they need to factor that into there math... i get it. We all lost 10 years of “career progression” after 9/11. Now there looking at retirement in 10-15 years as they look at there 401k and need to save.. And most don’t want to start over at a major...As for the newhires. They don’t vote off education on the TA. They vote off what social media says they should vote...
I think the majority of new hires have/are going to vote base on anything that gives them more $$ for the short time period that they assume they'll be with the company. In the current climate, a bunch of them aren't planning on being with there for the next 20 years. That outlook means nothing. |
Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2691390)
I agree. As someone pointed out these same people (including me) that started 20 years ago came to SkyWest with the assumption of making 60k a year max flying a turbo prop... Most these guys are making 160k a year+... they need to factor that into there math... i get it. We all lost 10 years of “career progression” after 9/11. Now there looking at retirement in 10-15 years as they look at there 401k and need to save.. And most don’t want to start over at a major...As for the newhires. They don’t vote off education on the TA. They vote off what social media says they should vote...
Seriously? Never made close to "$160,000.00 a year +"! Are you a management troll, or just drowning in Kool-aid? |
Originally Posted by WesternSkies
(Post 2691299)
119 to 123 is a 3.3% increase.
So now that I’ve gotten you angry and your math is wrong, what did you think was going to happen in regard to inflation when you got to year 21 on a 20 year pay scale as you spent those two decades climbing it? You wanna talk smarts? Did you have these current bonuses, work rules, qol & 401k in 2001? Total comp for a 20 year guy is on pace with YOUR provided numbers. Haha WRONG! $113.21 to $116 is a whopping $2.79 or 2.47%, less than the current 2.9% rate of inflation. So, actually going backwards(#math is hard)! |
Between amc and the west, I cannot believe the paper thin mind set?
How do you people even dress yourselves in the morning? Not to mention the lack of third grade math capability? |
Originally Posted by Paid2fly
(Post 2691919)
Seriously? Never made close to "$160,000.00 a year +"!
Are you a management troll, or just drowning in Kool-aid? |
Originally Posted by Paid2fly
(Post 2691920)
WRONG!
$113.21 to $116 is a whopping $2.79 or 2.47%, less than the current 2.9% rate of inflation. So, actually going backwards(#math is hard)! Currently you are being paid 112.09$ with ta offering 116$ 3.5% real money. And when inflation was recently flat you would have said?? That 1% you are already counting is fine but the fact is you won’t see $116 until 2022. It’s 2018. Do a little hard math and get back to me. |
Originally Posted by WesternSkies
(Post 2692054)
A 20 year guy bidding the 200... ok
Currently you are being paid 112.09$ with ta offering 116$ 3.5% real money. And when inflation was recently flat you would have said?? That 1% you are already counting is fine but the fact is you won’t see $116 until 2022. It’s 2018. Do a little hard math and get back to me. Now if I compare myself to my counterparts at mainline, of course it’s easy to find shortcomings at the regional level. Or I could choose to make the best of my current situation, work hard, and maximize the rules available to me. Another thing available is spend the extra time trying to get out. |
Originally Posted by skiK2
(Post 2692125)
I’m a 10 year CA making over 160k, and that’s not hard to do with seniority. I don’t do 4 days, and my family and I take several vacations per year.
Now if I compare myself to my counterparts at mainline, of course it’s easy to find shortcomings at the regional level. Or I could choose to make the best of my current situation, work hard, and maximize the rules available to me. Another thing available is spend the extra time trying to get out. |
Originally Posted by skiK2
(Post 2692125)
I’m a 10 year CA making over 160k, and that’s not hard to do with seniority. I don’t do 4 days, and my family and I take several vacations per year.
Now if I compare myself to my counterparts at mainline, of course it’s easy to find shortcomings at the regional level. Or I could choose to make the best of my current situation, work hard, and maximize the rules available to me. Another thing available is spend the extra time trying to get out. |
Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2692044)
Not management, and easy for a 20+ year guy doing standup’s or LCA.. or even just flying 175/900 all the time..
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Originally Posted by Utah
(Post 2692222)
How much do the sim instructors get credit wise every month?
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Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 2692243)
Sim guys pull in 160-220k + a year. Depending on CRJ or ERJ. And seniority...
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
(Post 2692054)
A 20 year guy bidding the 200... ok
Currently you are being paid 112.09$ with ta offering 116$ 3.5% real money. And when inflation was recently flat you would have said?? That 1% you are already counting is fine but the fact is you won’t see $116 until 2022. It’s 2018. Do a little hard math and get back to me. Yeah, bidding what is available in my base, mostly crummy 200 pairings. Inflation isn't flat, and is projected to increase, that's one of the reasons the fed keeps raising interest rates.:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by skiK2
(Post 2692125)
I’m a 10 year CA making over 160k, and that’s not hard to do with seniority. I don’t do 4 days, and my family and I take several vacations per year.
Now if I compare myself to my counterparts at mainline, of course it’s easy to find shortcomings at the regional level. Or I could choose to make the best of my current situation, work hard, and maximize the rules available to me. Another thing available is spend the extra time trying to get out. !0 year CA in what base, and exactly how are you making "over" 160K? It would be nearly impossible with many of the pairings in my base crediting at minimum, or half the duty time. |
This will be such a significant raise to me that operating under this rate for ONLY the last two months of the year will be better than if I worked the entire year with that 1% pay raise for 2018 that we we’re so upset about NOT getting.
All prospective. |
What pay rate would be enough to turn the no voters into yes voters?
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Originally Posted by rswitz
(Post 2692780)
What pay rate would be enough to turn the no voters into yes voters?
Mainline rates. |
Originally Posted by rswitz
(Post 2692780)
What pay rate would be enough to turn the no voters into yes voters?
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Originally Posted by hawk21
(Post 2692791)
Mainline rates.
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Originally Posted by rswitz
(Post 2692780)
What pay rate would be enough to turn the no voters into yes voters?
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2692940)
It’s not the rates that most of us have a problem with.
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2692940)
It’s not the rates that most of us have a problem with.
Signing bonuses? Most companies are doing it already. Whether you like it or not. |
Originally Posted by Skyhawk121
(Post 2692970)
What is it that you have a problem with? As a 3+ year CA in MSP I am pretty happy with it and am a yes vote.
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Originally Posted by hawk21
(Post 2693021)
Signing bonuses?
Most companies are doing it already. Whether you like it or not. |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2693024)
It's the complete lack of QOL improvements. Major QOL improvements will never come outside of a pay agreement. We get so blinded by rates we forget what really matters are work rules.
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Originally Posted by Skyhawk121
(Post 2693051)
I'm not blinded by rates, but there is still enough there to get a yes out of me. What QOL are you wanting specifically?
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2693055)
85 hour cap on awarded hours, include reserves in all guarantees, 150% for awarded hours above 85, higher MDG, better trip rig, real language controlling staffing levels.
Most of the regionals don't have a trip rig, but all of them that do have 1:4, so it's not like our trip rig is lagging behind the industry. Maybe it is because I flew for a different regional prior to coming here, but if you went and did some time there, it would be a major eye opener for you. |
Originally Posted by Skyhawk121
(Post 2693069)
Well to touch on a couple of these items, why would they raise MDG when us and Republic are the only two carriers at 4:12 everyone else in the industry is lower. Endeavor is 4:00.
Most of the regionals don't have a trip rig, but all of them that do have 1:4, so it's not like our trip rig is lagging behind the industry. Maybe it is because I flew for a different regional prior to coming here, but if you went and did some time there, it would be a major eye opener for you. |
Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2693072)
So as the biggest, most profitable regional airline in history we should just wait for others to raise the bar?
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2693024)
It's the complete lack of QOL improvements. Major QOL improvements will never come outside of a pay agreement. We get so blinded by rates we forget what really matters are work rules.
Sure, protection for commuters hasn't gotten any better (and probably never will), but I live in my base, so none of that really concerns me to be honest. |
It will pass, every FO I’ve flown with is a yes.
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Originally Posted by Skyhawk121
(Post 2693081)
The people running this company aren't stupid. The reason why this airline has existed for almost 50 years is because we are profitable. If pilot costs increase too much, you end up with another comair.
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Originally Posted by Apophenia
(Post 2693102)
I wouldn't say there has been a complete lack of QOL improvements. With one the last TRs, we can get a hotel in base after a cancel or reflow, regardless of the layover length (previously it wasn't possible unless your next trip started in less than 12 hours, or if you convinced crew support to ask RG to approve one). We're also moving from the Surface to iPad soon, which actually has a usable modem.
Sure, protection for commuters hasn't gotten any better (and probably never will), but I live in my base, so none of that really concerns me to be honest. |
Originally Posted by Utah
(Post 2693112)
Republic's current contract is better than this proposal and they aren't going out of business.
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Originally Posted by Skyhawk121
(Post 2693081)
The people running this company aren't stupid. The reason why this airline has existed for almost 50 years is because we are profitable. If pilot costs increase too much, you end up with another comair.
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Originally Posted by word302
(Post 2693131)
This industry is completely different now. Flying does not go to the lowest bidder, it goes to whoever can staff. Comair was also wholly-owned. You're comparing apples to sauerkraut.
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Originally Posted by Skyhawk121
(Post 2693069)
Well to touch on a couple of these items, why would they raise MDG when us and Republic are the only two carriers at 4:12 everyone else in the industry is lower. Endeavor is 4:00.
Most of the regionals don't have a trip rig, but all of them that do have 1:4, so it's not like our trip rig is lagging behind the industry. Maybe it is because I flew for a different regional prior to coming here, but if you went and did some time there, it would be a major eye opener for you. I believe TSA has 4:25 for MDG. |
TA voting results
What are the results on the TA vote?
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Originally Posted by George Church
(Post 2693285)
What are the results on the TA vote?
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Originally Posted by George Church
(Post 2693285)
What are the results on the TA vote?
Several “sources” claim it passed. By what margin I’m not sure. |
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