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hawk21 10-19-2018 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2694474)
You are correct.. But in a nut shell... “company need”;-)

“CN means PBS didn't meet any selected criteria but needs the pairing to be covered”

Yes so you very easily could’ve screwed yourself.

trip 10-19-2018 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk21 (Post 2694467)
CN does NOT stand for company need...

That’s a myth.

Come on man... semantics.
Left over pairings get dumped back in vs open time or to reserves.
It's a beautiful system for the company to get the majority of flying covered with very little additional costs.

amcnd 10-19-2018 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trip (Post 2694484)
Come on man... semantics.
Left over pairings get dumped back in vs open time or to reserves.
It's a beautiful system for the company to get the majority of flying covered with very little additional costs.

Better then hard lines....

Gone Flying 10-19-2018 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawker445 (Post 2694351)
Out of curiosity, what are the major gripes towards QOL that people have that aren't issues in other Regionals? Commuting?

I think the biggest issue I have heard is it takes being 30% or less in category to get more than 12 days off a month consistently ( even in slow months like sept.) at least in east coast bases this is true. One of my biggest gripe is FO's displaced for IOE can be used for any flying the company wants at no extra pay unless they overfly original trip value. There are many other issues that stem from the fact seniority is not honored like other carriers( like the fact they are not letting CRJ FOs in SLC transition to the 175, or they displaced SEA CRJ ca's out of base while allowing jr pilots to them to stay in base on the 175.) Im not sure how reserve is handled at other carriers but right now you need 22 reserves/day to drop anything in a base of 140 line holders ( I can remember 2 days in the last year that were above reserve staffing and on one of them I was somehow still denied a drop) I know many other carriers that are having staffing issues will pay premium to get open time covered, I hardly ever see trips above 130% and if they are truly desperate they MAY offer 150% day of. I don't think this is a bad place to work but there are many areas that could use improvement. I'm not sure how these issues stack up against other regionals though, if anyone has any insight I would like to learn.

WesternSkies 10-19-2018 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk21 (Post 2694481)
Yes so you very easily could’ve screwed yourself.


Time out.
That isn’t what it means either. AMCND and the colloquial “company need” is close enough.
“ When pairings are marked with a C they are pairings that are needed to cover flying.”

It means your seniority has been violated. We don’t have pairings that don’t need to be covered. That CN pairing was somewhere in your layers. If you “did it to yourself” and didn’t open up enough options for PBS it would have been on your schedule as a PN.

amcnd 10-19-2018 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2694517)
Time out.
That isn’t what it means either. AMCND and the colloquial “company need” is close enough.
“ When pairings are marked with a C they are pairings that are needed to cover flying.”

It means your seniority has been violated. We don’t have pairings that don’t need to be covered. That CN pairing was somewhere in your layers. If you “did it to yourself” and didn’t open up enough options for PBS it would have been on your schedule as a PN.

I just copied and paste the exact verbiage from the manual...


“CN means PBS didn't meet any selected criteria but needs the pairing to be covered”

And for “gone flying” look at SLC. There have been 4 locals and 2 -2 days for 150% but act quick!! They go in seconds...

WesternSkies 10-19-2018 03:58 PM

Yes the verbiage is deliberately selected so that most are confused by what is happening or feel like they CN’d themselves. It is simply a computer program that needs a code to not award flying in exact seniority order for the sake of efficiency.

Check Complete 10-20-2018 06:44 AM

^^^^^^^^

Says the company apologist.

You’ve got to be the first person ever to stand up for AOS PBS!

Sad, sickening!

WesternSkies 10-20-2018 07:21 AM

Explaining what is happening is far from an endorsement for. Stay in your binary world where Check complete good, Company bad.

Arliss 10-20-2018 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 2694490)
I think the biggest issue I have heard is it takes being 30% or less in category to get more than 12 days off a month consistently ( even in slow months like sept.) at least in east coast bases this is true. One of my biggest gripe is FO's displaced for IOE can be used for any flying the company wants at no extra pay unless they overfly original trip value. There are many other issues that stem from the fact seniority is not honored like other carriers( like the fact they are not letting CRJ FOs in SLC transition to the 175, or they displaced SEA CRJ ca's out of base while allowing jr pilots to them to stay in base on the 175.) Im not sure how reserve is handled at other carriers but right now you need 22 reserves/day to drop anything in a base of 140 line holders ( I can remember 2 days in the last year that were above reserve staffing and on one of them I was somehow still denied a drop) I know many other carriers that are having staffing issues will pay premium to get open time covered, I hardly ever see trips above 130% and if they are truly desperate they MAY offer 150% day of. I don't think this is a bad place to work but there are many areas that could use improvement. I'm not sure how these issues stack up against other regionals though, if anyone has any insight I would like to learn.

Honestly, this doesn't sound much different than Xjet. :D

It's impossible to drop reserve days here; more than half the hard lines seem to have 12 days off (although you can kinda/sorta psuedo drop in line improvement); and if a trip gets pulled for IOE, scheduling can put something else on within the footprint of the original trip, but you're pay protected for the original value (or greater).

Overall though, we have really good flexibility and I can just about always get the days off I want.


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