Special Tracking and PRIA
 

Anyone know if a person is put on special tracking within SkyWest is this something that goes on your PRIA?


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I don't think so, but the event that got you into tracking probably would.

Also... if you have extra formal training or checking events, those might show up on the print out. They would not show as a fail, but somebody might wonder why you had extra training.

no it will not, even if you fail a system test, but you will be going to the sim earlier than the rest of us.

Okay, you’re pretty positive? Have heard mixed comments. I could care less if it takes me a few extra sims and have to come back in 6 months, just want to keep the PRIA clean


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It won't be on your FAA record (unless you're in ST because you failed a QLOE), but it can be on your training record. PRIA covers both, so you need to be more specific about what you mean by PRIA.

For some, PRIA only means that paper from FAA that says they have nothing on file for you.
For some, it means the behemoth of paperwork your previous/current employer sends to your prospective employer. My PRIA response from my previous company was 56 pages.

It's safe to assume your next employer will see that you were put on special tracking.

Thanks. What I’m currently referring to is let’s say I’m at SKW and a few years down the line apply at United, will they see and/or care if I was put in to special tracking but had no failures/unsatisfactories during initial training


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Yes, your training records from SKW will show it. You'll have an extra event (R6 I believe usually) that you won't get otherwise. And obviously the failure that put you there.

How did you end up in special tracking if you had no failures/unsats in training?

I’m not in it currently. We can have up to 2 hours of extra sim time with no penalty, but if we need more than that we are put in to special tracking. I just am trying to understand how “bad” it looks if I go over the 2 hours.


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SKW is required, by law, to report;

This includes every written exam, every validation event, and obviously every checkride. And if you get into special tracking, you'll have an extra recurrent event (unless SKW is different in this regard), which obviously will tell anyone reviewing the records that you were put in special tracking.

Thanks. You think it’s the end of the world if it happens? As in something the majors really don’t want to see for your initial training?


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I'm not hiring for the majors so I really don't know. The general consensus is that recent training issues are a red flag, but a single event (or multiple with good interview answers) a long time ago aren't a big deal.

A new hire at a regional is 3-4 years away from being somewhat competitive at majors - that should be plenty of time. Just don't form a pattern and keep failing/needing more training.

The worst thing you can do is try to hide it. The conversation you DON'T want to have at a major interview is "so, you said you have no failures or unsats?" "no, sir" "any issues in training?" "not really, no..." "ok, so what is this R6 event you had as a new hire?" "well, uhm, no, I mean..." "ok, we'll call you, don't call us."

Got it. Thank you for the information!


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In some cases, needing extra time might be a good selling point in an interview.
"I didn't feel comfortable doing the checkride at that point, I needed a few more pointers to nail V1 cuts, they gave me an extra session and I got it right, and I passed the extra recurrent training event no problems".
Shows good judgement.

vs.

"The company wanted to rush me and I failed my MV".

VERY good point. Thank you for that!


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If it's your first 121 training course, and you took a little longer but passed everything I don't think that would be an issue for most majors.

I recall that my OO PRIA printout listed every training event I did for the last five or seven years. So I assume a reviewer would note that my recurrent events were always one year (+/- one month) apart. I suspect they would note an early event, and it sounds like it may be coded differently.

But it doesn't really matter what PRIA says, you need to answer the questions on the application verbatim... read them carefully, answer them literally. In the old days it was just "have you ever failed a checkride", but recently the questions have gotten a lot more detailed.

Be honest, if they think you're not being honest, you're done. And it's not a court of law, they don't need "beyond reasonable doubt", they just need the slightest hint or suspicion that something's not quite right. If it's a grey area on the question, I would still tend to be honest so there's no misunderstanding.

All that said, the app/interview is not confessional... don't tell them anything (negative) which they clearly did not ask for.

Does an extra ioe trip show up on pria?

Swol- FO Home Page - AQP - Student Detail - search.
Sorry this is not a direct answer but here all grades and events are listed...if you didn’t know.

That's nifty!

Not that I am aware of. A failed line check does though if I am not mistaken.

Special Tracking is outlined in the training manual. In there the events that result in FAA notification (eg. *the* PRIA events) are outlined as well.

Common PRIA examples: IMV, IKV, ILOE, CQ KV/LOE (events such as IPV or CQMV are NOT events OO needs to specifically report to the FAA, but in can (in the case of the CQMV) enter you into ST)

That's how I've understood it at least. If anyone here has been in ST before and wants to chime in, that'll probably get you a better answer.

Yes and no. They don't have to be reported to FAA, but they have to be reported to the next airline who has to request your training records from every air carrier you've worked for.

PRIA is not just about what gets sent to FAA. It's also what gets reported to other carriers. And yes, every testing event will be there.

AQP Failure
 

I failed my first recurrent AQP KV a few years ago. I had no previous failures and have since upgraded with no issues either having gone through a few recurrents since. Is the KV failure considered a checkride failure? And will this be a huge red flag going forward from everyone's experience?

It will be on the PRIA response from Skywest when you apply elsewhere.
I doubt it will be a showstopper though.

Won’t be a red flag. I wouldn’t sweat it.

As long as he admits it. If he doesn't, he will get fired in 3.5 seconds.

I was always told all training records stay within the company. Only FAA required items are shared with a future airline. Has that changed?

When I asked for my PRIA printout, it listed all training events. Basically a list of weird codes which I interpreted based on the dates (I knew what I was doing, when). One had a strange code that I couldn't figure out so I asked the records lady.
"Oh that was a failure".
"But I don't have any failures"...

Check your records every year, after recurrent or any type training. Check again IMMEDIATELY if you get an interview call.

Yes, it's a failure.

Frankly it's also more of a problem than an MV, LOE, or PC failure because unlike sim, there's no limit on how much you can prepare for a KV, and there's no variability for instructor, sim buddy, etc. I would take full responsibility, tell them what you learned, and how you've changed. You need to blame yourself for that one because there's no one else to blame and no extenuating circumstances. You either studied or you did not.

If it's your only failure, you'll get over it, but others with no failures will probably get called before you.

SkyWest will send all training records from the previous 5 years, to another requesting airline. When those records are requested, you can view the actual packet that was sent by the records department. You can view it where the paystubs are located in SWOL. If you are placed in special tracking for needing more sim time, at least one of the sessions will show an unsat. That unsat record will show on the training record.

You were told wrong. The PRIA AC is clear about this.

Or well, in a way you are correct: Training records ARE FAA required items.

What he said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Update: I managed to stay out of special tracking thus far as long as I pass my checkride. Only had a scare their for a minute. Thanks for the answers


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congrats on your checkride!

I think you misspoke. You meant to say WHEN I pass my checkride.

Haha! I like the spirit! I did pass, just a few hours ago!


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congrats on passing the checkride!

Just an FYI, if you are put on special track due to a FOQA or ASAP recommendation, those are not PRIA or FOIA reportable. If you have either of those programs at SkyW

I'm trying to make sense of this statement. How can a FOQA or ASAP event lead to special tracking in training?

Thats not special tracking. Thats a opportunity to get extra training (sim, ect) under the books and off the table...

THIS. I was told that it's totally ok to take some extra sim sessions. I took two extra sessions. One for Maneuvers and the other for LOFT. All it was was just cleaning up small mistakes. Nothing that would have the instructor say "yeah you're not ready at all". Haven't seen anything about special tracking and going over 2 hours of extra sim time. Thought it was 10 hours to be put on special tracking.