Describe my next couple years at OO if hired.
 

What could I expect if I hire on at OO for the next couple years?

I live in LFT and will be commuting. Direct flights from here to IAH, DFW, ATL. <4 hr drive to IAH, 6 hrs to DFW if desperate.

4700 TT, 1200 SIC jet Part 121, ATP, also 3 years Part 121 for Industry Experience Credit, so 3rd yr FO pay.

Describe my most likely future. Bases, aircraft, reserve, upgrade.

Does OO have long call reserve (12 hr)?

Thanks in advance.

You can write your own future... quick upgrade, or cush FO sked... asking here is probably the worst idea. I would rather take
My chances with a magic 8 ball... Yes there is long call.. All that being said. DFW and ATL are jr bases.. main difference is the flying.. 700’s at DFW, 200’s in ATL. DL vs AA. Pick your poison..

So getting IAH, DFW or ATL isn't a problem as a new FO?

How long to upgrade to CA with my times?

If you have three years of 121 time you should know that current upgrade times have zero to do with future upgrade times. Latest awards were arounds 9 months though.

You'd also know that those awards would be for the junior domicile and they'll probably spend a long, long time on reserve while senior pilots bid in above them.

I think the majority of upgrades wait until they can hold a line.

if you have 3 years of credit you should start on year 4 pay. you will probably get DTW out of training and should plan on being there for a month or two (the bottom 80 or so FOs are all in DTW, with that said they are also all probably still in training) I do not think you will get ATL, DFW, or IAH out of training but it is always a moving target. if things keep moving like they are now you should get ATL around the 6 month mark and probably hold a line 2-4 months after that. ATL is fairly stagnant at the moment as we have quite a few pilots that live in the southeast that commute there. This last month a few captains got in there under 2 years but it had been awhile since ATL has gone that jr. DFW is about 2 years 4 months for jr captain but that person got in when we doubled the base in 1 vacancy (40 to 80 crews).

hope this helps

long call is only 20% of our reserve and you can be converted 5 times a month to short call, you are also call first. you should NOT plan to sit at home on long call the way things are right now

Why not? Long call with a short commute is golden.

because you will get called almost every day.

8 guys were just awarded ATL captain under 2 years, but I would plan on being in DTW once you upgrade until you hit at least that seniority.

Well that completely depends on staffing and open time. Long calls get used for trips that are in open time days before the trip starts, so they get their assignments days in advance. Pretty rare to get the call right at 12 hours.

Thanks


filler

So the consensus is:
FO in DTW (or ATL if lucky) for 9 months or more, then if I choose to upgrage to CA, DTW for sure on reserve? That doesn't sound so great.

How is this better than taking a Near-DEC position somewhere else with a big signing bonus and being based somewhere as good or better than DTW on reserve?

You will get ATL or DFW as an FO out of training or within a couple months. But yes, if you go for the quick upgrade, you will be in DTW for a while unless there is some growth in another base. You could also likely get ORD fairly quick as a captain too which wouldn't be a horrible commute. Whet would you be based for these prospective DEC positions? DTW isn't a terrible base.

Nice narcissistic thread. Thanks for your valued post here in the OO thread

The consensus is APC has turned into a “magic 8 ball”. And im afraid that the new pilots entering the feild are going about life choices based off of internet lure... and not good old networking with real people...

Don’t forget in 2 years we will be into a recession. Things will be sloooooooow for a while. Add 2-3 years to your predicted times

Eh, depends on who I go with. And, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna do the Near-DEC instead. Too much risk with my long absence from flying to go straight DEC.

CommutAir - EWR
Envoy - ORD or LGA
GoJet - DEN or ORD
Dude, it's Detroit. I guess the housing is cheap though. lol


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For the most part, that is how DTW is looked at but then go twenty miles north of Detroit to Bloomfield Hills and things look completely different.

Who are you talking to?

I know. My sis lived in Royal Oak for a couple years and I visited, but I'd rather DEN if given the choice.

Might be able to get a CO drivers license and go elk hunting for $35 instead of $575. lol

Sorry folks, I missed this reply by word302 in another thread.

"OO. ATL for 6 months as an FO, DTW for 6 months as CA, back to ATL for the remainder of your time. We have plenty of issues here but pay is finally decent."

Do you other OO guys concur?

Are any FOs out of training getting ORD? Or is it strictly DTW for the most part?

DTW, ORD and DFW is where most get in training.

FAT and COS

ATL is CRJ200, I thought you wanted the 175?

Even had a few get IAH in recent months.

I'll take whatever I can get and like it.

I'm not basing my decision on aircraft.

I made a list last night of my priorities in order of importance:
1) Time to upgrade/Getting TPIC
2) Base/Difficulty of commute
3) Pay/Signing bonus
4) Holding a line

Classes are being increased to 56 CRJ NH’s every 2.5 weeks. This should fan people out to more bases...

Take a minimum of 3 years to get 175 CA slot.
Check the seniority tab on their website.
RJ CA is a little over 1 year.

Also, you will have to prove past 121 experience to get that "industry credit pay"....are you going to be able to get that from 19 years ago?
Most airlines only save them for the required 5 years.

I spoke to a guy by email about it yesterday and he said they would accept logbook entries or any training records I have.

I'll bring my badge and whatever other things I still have. Hell, I'll might bring my 727 operating manuals and GOM if it'll help. lol

It's a substantial raise from 1st year to 3rd or 4th year pay.

Understand the pay is substantially different.
I was told "company records", for whatever that means.

RJ captain is now 8 months and dropping.

Nice!
I guess the web page is a little out of date.

Yeah. Awards just came out a week ago.

I live out west, but based in DTW. In my opinion, it's the best base for CRJ drivers and the nicest Delta terminal in the country. Great crews, good flying, and good place for junior captains.

Is there decent housing available? - at reasonable prices?
I suppose there should be...with all the vacant homes!?

What makes you think those are vacant?

What type of flying? I heard mostly Delta and more legs than normal but shorter, compared to Other bases. 200s?

Nice.


filler

Good point!
Nothing a few "radioactive" barriers couldn't cure...