Because SLC is growing on the ERJ big time this fall.. There are SLC guys that commute to BOI right now. So i would say yes. It will drop.. Ask again in October I bet by then things will be more transparent...

Ding ding ding!

Yes, people are starting to go to the majors at 3 years, but they are the exception, not the norm. Way more people are leaving at 4+ years.

I would guess the average is more like 7-8 years.

Don’t only a small percentage of those 7-8 year guys end up at AA vs other major/legacy carriers? From those I’ve talked to it seems to be heavy on the DAL, UAL, and SWA side.

Yes. Filler.

When people tell me they'll be at Delta in a year.

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New bid MSP is 10 months from DOH now for MSP..

Wow. It's crazy to think a January new-hire could be into March before actually flying the plane, then go to upgrade in November. You'd have MSP-based captains who had never even been through a deicing process.

They've been through the deice process. This is MN after all, and I think the last deice I did was in late April :-) That aside, they also had experience at another regional prior to joining SkyWest.

Yeah you can't upgrade that quickly unless you have previous 121 time. There are plenty of FOs that spend their whole time right seat on the west coast, never seeing the weather of the Midwest/east coast who then upgrade out that direction. There's a learning curve but it doesn't take long to get up to speed. It really doesn't matter what experience you've had as an FO, you will see things as a new captain that never even dawned on you before.

Hi folks! Does anyone have any insight as to what equipment and base new classes are getting generally? The OP is good info but I’m wondering If I come in with over 1000 hours of 121 but get aircraft type A and the first available upgrade for me is on aircraft type B, will I be allowed to switch over or am I seat locked?

Thanks!

You choose your equipment during your interview. junior bases LGA ERJ, and DTW CRJ.

You will not be seat locked for upgrade.

Is it reasonable to go the CRJ route to start, fly the CRJ as a CA for 2-3 years, then transition to a CA spot in the ERJ? Does your CA seniority reset when you switch airframe?

Yes you can. And no. You keep your seniority... so no reserve ect.. hopefully

Upgrade just dropped to 4 months... 4/2019 hire dates. DTW/MSP

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Will this development possibly have an effect of also dropping the time spent on reserve as a new Capt. in DTW/MSP, until they are able to hold a hard line?

Guessing here, but maybe 1 year on reserve as Capt. until one can hold a scheduled hard line, which hopefully would provide the opportunity of 1 or 2 more days off each month?

Also, any chance this growth could also lower the time to upgrade in other bases such as Atlanta? Roughly the same time frame I would presume, give or take a month or so?

Thanks, AU

Where on SWOL can you see the latest CA awards? That means its someone in my class and I can't imagine being ready to upgrade by now. All of us have had barely two months on the line as reserves at this point.

Whomever it was had prior 121 time.

I never speculate on reserve time. To hard of a target to hit. Someone upgrading in may would have zero reserve time because they are finishing right at summer block hour increase.. someone upgrading right now my get a line for the holidays then scratch there head why they are on reserve jan-may next year... as far as the other person asking were to see the awards. Fltopps>standing bid > awards> sort how you want to see it..

Domicile vacancy report...standing bid list...awards.
Person had prior 121 for sure...infact every person over 4000 number seniority probably has prior 121 or qualifying 135....furthermore, I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if the company has unfilled crj captain vacancies every month lately.

ATL MSP ORD and DTW are all varying levels of most junior. Once your seniority number has 10-15 percent of the total complement beneath you, you are probably a target lineholder.

It doesn't matter how long you've been a captain, but how long you've been at the company. Until you're here for 2 yrs total, expect reserve (as a CRJ captain obviously). This may or may not change in the furure, but either way not a bad deal at all, given the historical upgrade/reserve times over the last decade.

^ I would agree and when the new Denver sim get up and running. (#5) they will up ERJ classes further creating CRJ Upgrades lower..

Go check the awards again... we just got a street captain. 5036 seniority number. Probably in ground school/sims with a number like that.

^ yep. Awarded today. NH awarded upgrade, he’s still in NH sim training...

I hope they publish the entire list tomorrow? FO/CA. Wanna find out if I have a chance of getting COS out of training next month :D

Awards are done.

8 FO’s have COS as there first choice. 7 FO’s awarded COS on this months bid. Most JR 6/19 hire date. Still on ioe..

Oh nice, high hopes then lol.

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amcnd… ahh more lines during the summer, understand completely. Also forgot that more senior F/O's could bid for Capt. months later and keep a person unable to climb out of the reserve status.
Thanks you for your reply and insight... AU

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TimetoClimb… also good data and insight to consider, thanks. As a previous 121 Captain, I understand "paying your dues" in this industry. Company seniority is EVERYTHING!

Reserve duty is just so much easier/tolerable when you don't have to add commuting, and the associated expenses, on top of it. But, 2 years to a hard line isn't so bad.

Therefore, given your 10-15% comment, I'm compelled to ask if anyone knows the following:

How many Captains and F/O's are based in DTW?
How many Captains and F/O's are based in ATL?

How many CRJ Capt. and F/O lines in DTW?
How many CRJ Capt. and F/O lines in ATL?

Is it still taking 3-5 months to get a class date if hired tomorrow?

Thanks in advance... AU

If hired tomorrow you should expect a February class probably. (CRJ)

Ouch, 6 months to start class at a regional carrier? Apparently, there's no pilot shortage at SkyWest! Oh well, at least I'll be able to watch football, and enjoy Thanksgiving and Christmas at home this year.
Thanks for the quick reply CRJJ... AU.

DTW 200/ 160 lines
ATL 105/ 70 lines

A certain percentage aren't bidding for one reason or another. They keep reserves between 10-20 percent but reserves are always flying. You can proffer for open time trips and try to break guarantee. Reserve rules aren't stellar here. There is a lot of work to be done and it is fairly nonstop on the crj side. Classes are full but you may get and earlier date randomly if someone bails.

That is true.

I interviewed the last week of May, got a November 20ish class but got in the waitlist and end up in an August class. Still here suffering :D

Same here. I was hired in early May 2019. Still patiently waiting. Was told by HR that ERJ scheduling doesn't give confirmed future class dates (they use a running list based on date of hire and availability). When the ERJ prospects looked like it was going to take months, I asked for the CRJ availability... They confirmed me for a CRJ class in March 2020 and listed me as first available on both waiting lists. They said earliest would likely be late Oct if the stars aligned. Rumor floating around is that simulator availability is the limiting factor.

Happy to have a job...just waiting to go to work.


BJD

Go to Operstions> Standing Bids List> Awards. Sort by CA to see only captain awards. You can also sort by aircraft type and domicile. Like previously mentioned most low seniority upgrades came with upgrade requirements pretty well met. If you have questions about your upgrade eligibility contact Virgina Dorosky she does all the transfers and upgrades and is very helpful.

its worth noting reserves can actually get 1 more day off here than lineholders (18 vs 19 days of work max) if you are a jr CA lineholder in ATL/DTW/MSP expect to work 19 days a month. you might get lucky and get 18 but that is about it. ill add 1 caveat if you are a targeted lineholder( most jr of lineholders,may or may not get a composite line) you may get more time off because PBS is running out of trips to award. but this usually affects about 3-5 people and once you are sr. to that expect the above.

Seniority in class is determined
1. Cadets over non cadets
2. Within cadets, 4th digit from the end of your social, 1 over 2 and 9 or 0 last.
3. non cadets on the social again.

You will bid for sim slots and you will retain seniority over your class mates in the future.

im pretty sure its:
1)cadets by date of cadet start
2)then everyone else by last 4 of SSN low to high