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3000 02-26-2020 12:36 PM

Anyone Hired/Turned Down as a Result of DUI?
 
This question is specific to Skywest since I'm considering quitting my job and getting into their Pathway Program. So it's a big commitment for me. I have asked this question elsewhere before, but never got a straight answer. So please don't bash me.

Has anyone with a DUI (less than 5 years), expunged or not been hired or turned down because of it?.

Canada doesn't allow entry for DUI unless 10 years have passed.

Does the airline hire you and just assign you to non-Canada routes or simply not hire?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, No hypothetical. ONLY answer if you've actually experienced or seen this.

Thank you

sourdough44 02-26-2020 01:00 PM

Do a search here, DUI , a good amount of info comes up. Hours and time since the event factor in.

Another thing is the rest of your application, hours, experience, training & driving record, the usual stuff.

Another option would be to go somewhere else, until it’s far enough back that it matters less.

I can’t see getting an absolute answer, details matter.

3000 02-26-2020 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by sourdough44 (Post 2984716)
Do a search here, DUI , a good amount of info comes up. Hours and time since the event factor in.

Another thing is the rest of your application, hours, experience, training & driving record, the usual stuff.

Another option would be to go somewhere else, until it’s far enough back that it matters less.

I can’t see getting an absolute answer, details matter.

When I search DUI, hundreds of results come up with zero of them being about DUI. Maybe you can try for yourself or show me how to do a better search?

Thanks

Skyhawk121 02-26-2020 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by 3000 (Post 2984703)
This question is specific to Skywest since I'm considering quitting my job and getting into their Pathway Program. So it's a big commitment for me. I have asked this question elsewhere before, but never got a straight answer. So please don't bash me.

Has anyone with a DUI (less than 5 years), expunged or not been hired or turned down because of it?.

Canada doesn't allow entry for DUI unless 10 years have passed.

Does the airline hire you and just assign you to non-Canada routes or simply not hire?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, No hypothetical. ONLY answer if you've actually experienced or seen this.

Thank you

How close are you to your ATP mins? I doubt it would exclude you from the pathway program because when you are in the pathway program you don't actually work here, you are part of the cadet program. Are you talking about going to one of the partner schools to get tuition reimbursement or what?

If you don't want us to speculate, just call the HR department and see if you can get someone to talk through scenarios with you.

Chipjumper 02-26-2020 02:22 PM

Anyone Hired/Turned Down as a Result of DUI?
 
I’m not a professional pilot but here is my $0.02. Just look at the regional’s job postings. Most, if not all, demand that you are able to enter Canada in their wording. Hell here is some of that wording on OO’s website:

“No pilot who has been convicted of any criminal offense that will prohibit him/her of gaining Canadian clearance will be hired to fly.”

MQ’s requirement:

“Ability to travel into and out of the U.S. and to all cities/countries served by Envoy”

After about five years you can apply for “rehabilitation” via the Canadian Consulate General’s office. You can apply at any time but >5yrs has the most success. I would have the waiver IN HAND prior to applying for any pilot job that has the requirements.

3000 02-26-2020 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Skyhawk121 (Post 2984748)
How close are you to your ATP mins? I doubt it would exclude you from the pathway program because when you are in the pathway program you don't actually work here, you are part of the cadet program. Are you talking about going to one of the partner schools to get tuition reimbursement or what?

If you don't want us to speculate, just call the HR department and see if you can get someone to talk through scenarios with you.

They have already accepted me into the Pathway (with partial tuition reimbursement) . My concern is quitting my well paying job (which I can't get back if I quit), getting into pathway, finish it, and then being told I can't be hired because of the DUI.

3000 02-26-2020 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Chipjumper (Post 2984749)
I’m not a professional pilot but here is my $0.02. Just look at the regional’s job postings. Most, if not all, demand that you are able to enter Canada in their wording. Hell here is some of that wording on OO’s website:

“No pilot who has been convicted of any criminal offense that will prohibit him/her of gaining Canadian clearance will be hired to fly.”

MQ’s requirement:

“Ability to travel into and out of the U.S. and to all cities/countries served by Envoy”

After about five years you can apply for “rehabilitation” via the Canadian Consulate General’s office. You can apply at any time but >5yrs has the most success. I would have the waiver IN HAND prior to applying for any pilot job that has the requirements.

I know and I've seen those wordings. On the other hand I've seen a lot of conflicting information that they might hire if desperate enough (especially these days) and just not not send the pilot to Canada.
Another important thing is my DUI has been expunged. I'm hoping to find someone with a similar situation who can tell me the expungement helped them or it didn't matter and they still couldn't get hired. That way I can make my decision. I don't want to risk my job at this point.

Skyhawk121 02-26-2020 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by 3000 (Post 2984771)
I know and I've seen those wordings. On the other hand I've seen a lot of conflicting information that they might hire if desperate enough (especially these days) and just not not send the pilot to Canada.
Another important thing is my DUI has been expunged. I'm hoping to find someone with a similar situation who can tell me the expungement helped them or it didn't matter and they still couldn't get hired. That way I can make my decision. I don't want to risk my job at this point.

We hire a lot of pilots every month, like over 100, so I wouldn't quite say we are desperate.

STLPilotGod 02-26-2020 02:57 PM

If it is expunged why are you worried? Did you go through the proper procedures to get out of the FBI system? If I were worried about it I would take a trip up to Canada and see if they stop me at the border.

Chipjumper 02-26-2020 03:03 PM

Expungement is a nebulous subject. In my opinion, you’re fine. Get a full criminal records check (state you were arrested in, and Fed). See what comes up.
There are issues though.
Cities, counties, states, and regions do not necessarily share data AND/OR have their own “special” database system that is not part of NLETS. That information won’t be shared with Canada via an NLETS query; only NLETS data will be shared. I would bet $1M that the Canadians wouldn’t know you had a DUI conviction.
I’m not a Canada Border Services officer but I am a (“retired”) immigration/ customs officer for a nearby nation (and I’m also Canadian lol). In my experience, even if a foreigner admitted to a crime, an admission of guilt of a historic conviction is not substantial enough to permanently preclude their admission. Evidence would be necessary to substantiate whether or not they are definitively inadmissible. The burden of proof is always on the alien; it’s not the governments job to prove you’re admissible. IIRC, I would let them continue on their travel but tell them to gather the documents prior to their next admission. If they were a real sh*tbag I would boot them back to Canada and make it difficult. I digress.
I would be honest with your application for employment; more so if they **specifically** ask for expunged convictions (very common today). You could consult with your attorney but again, expungements are quite nebulous.


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