just remember Skywest Has never furloughed. They just give unpaid administrative leave.

If we have a seniority number, lose all benefits, and aren’t getting paid, what’s the difference?

Did they say they were calling people back by company seniority or pilot seniority?

Pilot seniority

that’s my point, there are a lot of kool aid drinkers who brag about never furloughing

just watch them.

retrain is only an issue if you actually need to move people from the left seat to the right seat or from one aircraft to another.

what if you selectively furlough - out of seniority order?

think of it as a by-pass just like the regular practice.

operational need and such.

Cliff notes from this mornings SAPA call>
Lots of interest in VLOA but 2 week callback seems to be an issue with interested volunteers?
If VLOA doesn’t meet staffing requirements then looking at reduced line credit for reserve and line holders. Possible down to 62/72?
Last option is furlough.
New hires sent home are in limbo as to status, SAPA is bringing this up everyday for a better answer, “limbo” cannot continue.


Stay safe out there.

And what if the reptilian, shape-shifting, lizard illuminati are behind it all?

Stop putting false ideas out there.

the company can get very creative when they want to. Upgrade / transition in seniority order? Not so much. Why would they not try the same in this situation? That’s the way we have always done it ....

TFAYD

Just interviewed with Sky west on Monday. It appears that the four people in our group all got rejection emails. They’ve also closed down their training classes and sent all the trainees home. There’s also a gentleman at my Flight school who was supposed to report in three weeks and he has been told not to report. So apparently SkyWest has shut down training during the Corona crisis.

Yes. And looks like a bunch of us current pilots will be taking some unpaid time off.

If we actually have an airline industry in 3 months from now, I'll be pleasantly astonished.

If APC actually has threads not filled with ridiculous hyperbole 3 months from now, I'll be pleasantly astonished.

You come to an Internet forum and expect measured, dignified, scholarly conversation?

Hey all,
I was part of the recent new hire class that was sent packing while in CTP last week. I was a cadet and am wondering about the status of our "employment" with the company. Since we do not hold a seniority number, are we still eligible for company health insurance if we buy into it? I am no longer covered by my previous employer as of March 1 (at apparently the worst time in recent history to not have health insurance). Also will we lose flight benefits? I understand the current economic position for airlines is hardly great, however I just paid $300 to enroll with Delta and United and wanted to know the chances of getting a refund if they end up recalling that. I found out through a friend that new hires in training are eligible for state unemployment benefits. Appreciate any information y'all can provide.

dont quote me on this but I believe you have to be on property for 6 months for health insurance. Not sure if it differs for cadets. As far as flight benefits I believe you can reach out to the travel center for a refund.

Just got the email our ATL base got coronad.
No airline will be untouched...

I may be wrong, but I believe that we got paid at the end of Indoc if I remember correctly. Before then, we were not "considered employees" I was 6 days away from my LOE when they sent us home. So far everyone is in the unknown. Still got the company badges (can't use KCM but we are still CASS enabled) and EFB (but for how long?). To answer your question, you might be eligible for nothing. I would contact a SAPA representative or your direct supervisor to ask him. Since you were a cadet, you had access to SkyWest online, you can see who your direct supervisor is and email him. Good luck! We are all in the same pot of brown pudding.

Oh man...if you were still in CTP and hadn't started indoc I think you are in trouble. CTP is a requirement to be hired, and isn't considered part of company training. It's like the help with the last 100 hours of flight time or paying for rotor to fixed wing transition that a lot of regionals were offering. They're helping pay for training with your promise to come work for them when you're ready, but you're not actually an employee yet. I think that's the same across the industry. So basically they pulled your offer of employment before you started work. The guys who started indoc are going to get 50 hours of pay a month and benefits to sit at home, but if you didn't start indoc, you aren't eligible for that.
You can ask about a refund on the non-rev fees, but I doubt you get one unfortunately. That money goes straight to Delta and United and they make it clear that there are no refunds even if your status changes. You had to be in the worst possible spot when this went down.

I started Indoc and that was not the impression anyone in class got. Sounded like we were sent home with no pay or benefits of any kind.

Edit: I shouldn't speak for anyone else in the class as far as the impressions they all got. Above comments are my thoughts only.

check skywest online if you still can ...... look for the blue tab for VLOA/ CPTO & select the CPTO option....

Yes according to SAPA if you have a employee number and seniority number your're are eligible for the CPTO (coronivirus paid time off) leave option. This has all been developing faster then one can type it out. The CPTO plan just became available on the 20th so stay updated with skywest online and sapa pilot dot org.

Good info.

Be mindful we are “bidding” for VTO/CPTO.
Definitely bid for it though.

Sounds like folks that were still in training are going to get involuntary CTPO, but I’d bid anyway. Skywestonline - my stuff - leave of absence - blue Vto/ctpo button and pick ctpo. Vto is unpaid, you just get health benefits.

Spoke to a buddy of mine last night who was in CRJ sim training. I guess those in training got notified yesterday they can select VTO and get their medical benefits. Thank you SkyWest for taking care of our employees and new hires. 🙌👏👏👏

Confirmed. The email came out today. If we already had health and dental benefits (i.e. cadets or people well through their training) they will be covered by the company. We will retain flight benefits (yay?) and are eligible for unemployment.

Question: If we live in state A, the company is based in state B, but we were physically residing in state C during training, which state do we pursue an unemployment claim?

[QUOTE=MrButter;3012943]Confirmed. The email came out today. If we already had health and dental benefits (i.e. cadets or people well through their training) they will be covered by the company. We will retain flight benefits (yay?) and are eligible for unemployment.

Question: If we live in state A, the company is based in state B, but we were physically residing in state C during training, which state do we pursue an unemployment claim?[/QUOT

State you file your taxes. IE resident of.

The same state you pay state income tax towards (residence).

Right... Not paying them is taking care of them...

Messaged somebody in employment standards. For those who were sent home in CTP, we will be able to keep travel privileges for 30 days and then it will be re-evaluated. We will remain as Cadets/New Hires in the system. Hopefully that $1200 Trump check and unemployment holds everyone over for a year (or more). efffff :eek:

I don’t mean to be negative but it was a requirement in order to receive funding in the bailout passed in Congress today. They initially intended on keeping us on administrative leave w/o benefits until that stipulation came out.

I know this is MAJOR crystal-ball but any idea when hiring will resume.

Magic eight ball says “reply hazy try again later”.

no one will know until later this year. My guess is somewhere about the 2-3 year mark when the recession subsides and
all furloughs have been recalled.

Consider plan A dead. Plan B will be gone soon.

This is a big part of it, but another part that is a little harder to predict is when will people feel safe again sitting shoulder to shoulder inside a long metal tube. A good chunk of people will not get the virus or they had it and didn’t even know it. So, the paranoia that will exist anytime someone sneezes or coughs inside an airplane is going to be around a long time.

Human fear is why no one magically going to just go back to “normal” anytime soon, no matter what we may want. The people who’ve had it will feel ok -IF- they’re confident they can’t “re-catch” it. People who’ve not had it (which experts say may be as few as 20% of us) won’t feel safe unless they’re inoculated -AND- they’re confident in the inoculation. And a shot is a year out just on the science, then you’ve got logistics - 330 million recipients a large chunk of whom don’t have health care, remember?

Both groups will require (1) belief in science and (2) trust in government, and both are under attack now, and by our own leadership.

Is it any wonder people just want to bunker down and stock up on TP and ammo? Oh, and troll on APC!

What’s needed is a thoughtful plan, aggressive, coordinated and solid execution, and efforts to restore, not diminish, confidence in our institutions. Sadly, what we are seeing is a mockery of them. Cults of personality never survive these types of challenges, and neither will this one, but this is an expensive lesson for all of us. I hope we learn it.

When the vaccine is developed....

when the mainline pilots have been recalled......United s contract with the regionals state that they MUST hire furloughed United pilots before anyone else.

2022

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