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Huell 05-28-2020 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by FO Candidate (Post 3065337)
No no.
In the last year 3 Emer + 1 recent SAD (totaling 3 SADs in 2 years). I heard they are terminating 2 pilots per day in one region alone so that's part of the concern.

Is Mesa still hiring? Just a thought.

Claxstarr 05-28-2020 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by FO Candidate (Post 3065337)
I heard they are terminating 2 pilots per day in one region alone so that's part of the concern.

Ok I know this is APC but dude... that’s how ridiculous rumors start.
Unless you’ve got some proof of this, be careful what you’re putting out there.

If this were actually happening, our seniority #s would still be decreasing regularly.

GearUpHeadDown 05-28-2020 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by FO Candidate (Post 3065337)
No no.
In the last year 3 Emer + 1 recent SAD (totaling 3 SADs in 2 years). I heard they are terminating 2 pilots per day in one region alone so that's part of the concern.

which region and source?

redeyed 05-28-2020 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 3065325)
SADs are scheduled assignment deviations, like not showing up for work or showing up late, no call or anything. Totally different then sick call or emergency call out.
If your having a problem or home/life issues there’s help and guidance available but you’ll need to reach out for it. Start with a SAPA rep or Chief pilot.

Thanks for filling me in on the acronym - flew 19 years for an ACMI, but was SOL on the SAD.

captive apple 05-28-2020 06:33 AM

Are they taking suggestions?

This sounds like a pro ALPA guy sowing seeds.
My seniority hasn’t moved in weeks. We literally have a list that can be referenced instead of APC posts.

herewego 05-28-2020 06:47 AM

3 SADS in 2 years as a pilot? You're doing something wrong. That is exactly 3 more SADs than I've had in much more time than that. And yes I have called in sick or emergency in the middle of more than one trip, and have missed commutes but let my chief pilot know about it ASAP by something as simple as a text message.
Believable for an FA who get SADs like Halloween candy, but plenty of pilots can show up half hour late and as long as you get out on time your chief pilot will get the SAD dropped.
Attitude makes a huge difference. Don't lie, ask for help if you're having commuting or home issues.

TheFly 05-28-2020 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by FO Candidate (Post 3065299)
Are pilots getting terminated way easier nowadays because of the obvious over-staffing? Would someone with 3 SAD in 2 years, 4 occurrences (3 emer + sad) in the last year and 0 warnings nor past disciplinary actions ne at serious risk of getting fired?

Yeah, 1 SAD in 7 years. I slept through a phone call in the middle of the night while on long call reserve. Completely my fault, who am I going to blame, CS?

Oh, and I never got a call, ever, even calling out emergency or sick.

Dude stop it, ALPA isn’t coming to OO...

rickair7777 05-28-2020 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Meep (Post 3065391)
But, I don’t think they would let you go without even putting you on probation first. They might put a warning letter in your file but I find it hard to believe the first step is termination unless you did something really bad.

Yes, google "Progressive Discipline". If they did not start the "progressive discipline" process at the time of one of the previous offenses they cannot just go back and terminate you now.

In the white-collar world, people with a record like yours would be prime candidates for a layoff, but they obviously cannot do that in a seniority system.

They also almost certainly cannot start "progressive discipline" now unless your latest violation was fairly recent (I would guess within a few weeks). So in reality at a minimum they would need one more violation to trigger at least token progressive discipline, and then one more violation for termination. Even that might put them on thin ice, if they treated you much differently than other pilots in the past.

Sick calls alone would not put you over the top unless you had a lot of them.

All that said if you get into a situation that could go either way, your record will put them over the top in the wrong direction, so you probably need to keep your nose clean. Move to base if you need the job that badly.

Utah 05-28-2020 07:34 AM

I do think we've had 2-4 fired over the past several months. Not two per day. If you give it some thought you might even be able to figure it out.

The only other thing I can think of is trying to sit reserve while well over two hours away from your domicile. Then getting a call out and not making it in.

SkyWest use to have a reputation for firing more than all other airlines combined 10-15 years or so ago. A lot has changed since then, and that hasn't been the case recently.

rickair7777 05-28-2020 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Utah (Post 3065521)
SkyWest use to have a reputation for firing more than all other airlines combined 10-15 years or so ago. A lot has changed since then, and that hasn't been the case recently.

It certainly had that reputation among the other regional pilot groups. Funny thing is, I was there during that era and I don't remember people getting fired left and right. The ones I do recall, it was obvious why (DD was the exception that comes to mind).


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