years ago it was 12k at most airlines. But back then pay was $19hr and you didn’t get laid tell after ioe. And no hotel provided.. Now pay for ATP/CTP. Pay day 1 indoc $90hr, single room hotel… $80k….

You get laid after IOE? I'm doing it wrong then...

Quit spouting this "Just happy to be here bullshìt". I've never of an airline not providing a hotel to new hires and very few had training contracts especially ones that were $80k. You sign this contract your part of the problem and I assure you pilots at majors will view you negatively.

Years ago SkyWest didn't provide a hotel during training and you got $600 after passing training. That was at the time that Comair, ASA, Continetal Express, and others were all charging $8-12K to get a job with them. Around 1999 some of those airlines stared waiving the fee for higher time applicants. It allowed the lower time guys to get hired earlier if they were willing to write the check. I knew several pilots that were more than happy to write the check at 1000 hours vs wating on getting the 2500tt/500multi which was what you typically needed to get a regional job in the 90s.

None of those pay for training types were ever held back from getting a job later on.

Pilots at majors couldn't care less if you signed a training contract or not. Most aren't even aware of the current hiring situation at their own airline, let alone a regional.

Exactly. Do what is best for your career, even if it's signing the contract.

Yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you're wrong on this. We all got our start somewhere and most of us did it the right way weren't blue falcons. SkyWests decline has been a pretty good convo in the crew room lately.

not sure I have heard a lot of backlash against current OO pilots in the crew room.

but I know plenty of folks who’s kid’s, nephews, friends kids etc are currently working on their ratings and wondering whether OO is the premiere operator it used to be.

regardless, this training contract won’t go away until the demand / supply balance shifts again. things don’t look super bright right now. not doom and gloom but enough hiring slow down for supply to build in excess of demand.

Care about the contract? No, not particularly. Im long gone.

Care for the good of the individuals and the precedent and relate because I sat in that seat? Totally care. I despise the tactics. I am confident it won't make things culturally better and tells me that management has zero interest in running a good business model that takes care of people. This is aviation though, so lets be real, management doesn't care for the most part. Im telling everyone starting out now to avoid any place with a contract if they have any possible way, life is too crazy for that hanging over someone's head.

Actually until recently delta didn’t provide hotels to new hires