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It never ceases to amaze me how juvenile many of you are...

No debates over opinions, just juvenile attacks.

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1262885)

I never cease to amaze me how juvenile many of you are.

Yes, I'm pretty sure you're pretty proud of yourself :D

Sorry, that was just too easy.

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Originally Posted by Electra (Post 1262648)

Here's my question: What is in it for me and my company? Let's be perfectly honest here: ExpressJet is heavy on crummy domiciles and dead-end equipment. Unless UAL/CAL approve an expanded scope agreement, there is no replacing the 145's. SKYW has been pretty smart about covering their costs and making sure their flights make money. Eventually the massive losses will catch up, and at the end of the day, XJT (not necessarily the CRJ side) is costing INC money. Don't be fooled, despite the continual yelling of the vocal minority, we're overall pretty happy for a regional airline at SkyWest. Could things be improved? Always. But when it comes down to it, we really don't have an incredibly acrimonious relationship with mgmt, and we don't want ALPA on property. We don't want DTW, CLE, or EWR. We know a lot of people at XJT want LAX, SFO, DEN, PDX, SEA and SLC.

At the end of the day, our major partners decide who will do what flying. But having a single seniority list won't help me maintain my position in DEN. I won't be convinced that a single seniority list is best for this company until someone definitively answers how it will improve lives on both sides of the proverbial fence, and not just for XJT.

You have no Idea what your talking about sunny! LXJT is making money with our concessionary and still superior to yours or any regional out there contract. I would love to see where your getting your info from.

From what I've seen of your operation in DEN if we ran our side like that we would be the next Comair, your just lucky you have us to leach off of now. Dam you guys have a half a$$ operation. So I wouldn't worry about allot of us guys running out there till you bring it up to our standards.

So don't think every XJT guy want to run out to DEN we don't. I would also bet there are some that would love to get out also and if we were merged it would be nice for some guys to finally be home. Way to think about yourself, typical pilot.

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Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1262901)

Yes, I'm pretty sure you're pretty proud of yourself :D

Sorry, that was just too easy.

Point proven.........

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Originally Posted by XJT Pilot (Post 1262903)

You finally turned your first profit sense 06 and that was after being linked to ASA with Inc. in control. One of the most profitable periods for regionals (2006-2010) and you guys ran the entire time in the red and narrowly escaped bankruptcy.

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Originally Posted by cosmosdrvr (Post 1262583)

NO!

I applied to, interviewed with, and accepted a job at Skywest. Had I wanted to fly for ASA I would have gone there.

Seperate and equal is just fine.

Cocky pr1ck much? For some of us on the west coast, OO and QX weren't an option because they weren't hiring while we were in the job market. But that's alright, we likely wouldn't have passed the rigorous interview that you clearly aced.

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Originally Posted by 3stripes (Post 1262853)

I believe that there is a clause that stats that if L-XJT pilots get whipsawed and end up having to move to SkyWest, we move over with longevity.

Then give longevity to all of the pilots who came to SKW after slugging it out at a bottom feeder. XJT guys keep quoting this clause but how is it even close to enforceable?

I believe he is talking about the clause which states that if one aircraft is transferred to Skywest, pilots go with longevity AND seniority. Those other "bottom feeder" pilots are not party between ALPA and Skywest Inc.

It's only enforceable because we live within the rule of law. In other words, the RLA says that disputes are settled by arbitrators and federal courts if necessary.

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1262905)

Point proven.........

Don't get to emotional, the smiley face was there for a reason :cool:

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1262908)

You finally turned your first profit sense 06 and that was after being linked to ASA with Inc. in control. One of the most profitable periods for regionals (2006-2010) and you guys ran the entire time in the red and narrowly escaped bankruptcy.

The poster you responded too referred to it as "XJT is making money", as opposed to "we". You take the liberty of saying "you", and "you guys".

Now, along the lines of your other posts, pilots just fly the airplanes and management is in charge of the finances.

So making it personal, who's the juvenile now?

But if you want to talk about ACTUAL facts, you DO know why the losses happened at XJT from fall of 2008 till just recently, DON'T YOU?

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Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1262916)

The poster you responded too referred to it as "XJT is making money", as opposed to "we". You take the liberty of saying "you", and "you guys".

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Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1262916)

Now, along the lines of your other posts, pilots just fly the airplanes and management is in charge of the finances.

So making it personal, who's the juvenile now?

There are no personal attacks in stating the obvious pertaining to the business. Tell me what pilot group runs an airlines finances or makes business decisions such as domiciles, equipment, contracts, Mx, loans, etc.? That is far different than calling someone "Chip, D-Bag, cocky pr1ch, etc."

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Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1262916)

But if you want to talk about ACTUAL facts, you DO know why the losses happened at XJT from fall of 2008 till just recently, DON'T YOU?

Sure I understand that Smisek played Jerry’s (and made him look like a fool) willingness to take on XJT in 08 into whipping L-XJT into a thin contract but that wasn’t Jerry’s doing. That was truly on Smisek. Jerry’s wasn’t the one who pulled 69 jets from XJT in early 06 and then decided to start up branded operations with the XR’s which p1ssed off Smisek even more since he wanted the XR's flying for CAL. Which was a slick move by L-XJT's mgmt. at the time, but the house always wins.

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1262932)

The poster is an L-XJT pilot and he's referring to the L-XJT contract therefor L-XJT. When I say “you guys” it's obvious I mean L-XJT which turned its first profit since 06 and only after being linked to ASA with Inc. in control. I didn't say "we" because SkyWest has been very profitable dating all the way back to early 70's with very few quarters in the red and in SkyWest financial reports they breakdown the two sides. Now I give Jerry and friends some respect when it comes to their ability to run a regional airline.

There are no personal attacks in stating the obvious pertaining to the business. Tell me what pilot group runs an airlines finances or makes business decisions such as domiciles, equipment, contracts, Mx, loans, etc.? That is far different than calling someone "Chip, D-Bag, cocky pr1ch, etc."

You're obviously NOT reading everything I've posted. But that's cool, I'll drop it after this.

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1262932)

Sure I understand that Smisek played Jerry’s (and made him look like a fool)

Made Jerry look like a fool? No he didn't. Jerry got a multi-million dollar pay out for his "thanks for helping us punk ExpressJet" from CAL. Besides, that was just the first step in JA's "operation you break it, you buy it". I'm pretty sure he knew there would be an opportunity down the road at some point. All the while he was laughing to the bank to go cash his check from Jeffrey.

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Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1262932)

That was truly on Smisek. Jerry’s wasn’t the one who pulled 69 jets from XJT in early 06 and then decided to start up branded operations with the XR’s which p1ssed off Smisek even more since he wanted the XR's flying for CAL. Which was a slick move on L-XJT mgmts. part at the time, but the hous always wins.

Larry was still in charge, so he had to give the approval for that move. But yes, Jeffrey was a part of it. And the XR's that went to DelCon/Branded ops was more the incompetence of CAL's accounting and bean counting people. If they were using their heads, they WOULDN'T have let them go.