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Obviously there are fines for airlines for violating regulations. I was referring to airline managements violation of respective working agreements. There would be a lot less of it going on if management got fined a few million every time they got caught doing it.
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
(Post 1923790)
Wrong on more than a few counts, certificate actions only apply to those who hold certificates. Management pogues everywhere don't have any certificates in the fight, only drivers licenses to drive their Bentlys, Ferrarris, and Bugattis to their corner offices. The few that have SEC limits only have to worry if the company shareholders are gonna be paying the fines for them. The massive Freudian slips in your above statement shows that you know very little about this industry, par for a management pogue.
Equating an airline to management, classic! Airlines manage to operate in spite of management, thanks to the front line employees. Know what happens when you don't show up for work, nothing, except a few less ruffled feathers on APC, know what happens when a pilot, mechanic F/A, ramper ect doesn't come to work, flights get delayed, or cancelled. Small but subtle difference. Don't you have another masterful waterbottle FOIB to craft? Boom! Checkmate Bruddah!! |
Five pages on an errant assertion from ALPA? The numbers don't lie...compare the pay scales and compensation packages and move on. Case closed or thread locked.
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
(Post 1923882)
Your whole post is a major fail. So, lets hear it. What management pogue am I, who do I work for, and how is it I know who you are? I would not be poking fingers at anyone around here..pretty dangerous for a guy who is not anonymous...
CCB has never tried to hide who he is. Good thing we have that iron clad "contract" so he can't be termed for saying what he feels. Or maybe he has enough stashed away to fight a wrongful term lawsuit like DD?? |
Obviously this appears to be a piece used fOr lobbying, not a lets bash skywest or non-alpa carriers. Politicians don't really know about this profession, and the public perception is that airline pilots are all taking home six figure salaries. This is to clear that perception up for policymakers who probably will be looking at watering down the 1500 hour rule and maybe even 117 in short order. They have to use some metric like hourly rate × min guarantee to show what our pay really is. If you tell a normal person starting pilots get $24/hour, they are going to assume that we are working 40 hours per week at that rate and making $50, 000/year. If you explain that it is only per flight hour and only fly 75-85 hours per month, that's going to sound like a part time job...
I do think skywest is a good company, and yes, this doesn't factor in work rules and bennies that puts skywest ahead of most other regionals. With that being said, I would think that everyone here would agree that 24/hour is deplorable for the training and qualifications it takes to get into 121 flying. Good insurance and 401k makes it slightly more palatable, but doesn't pay rent, utilities, food, kid's expenses, etc. ALPA certainly isn't going to prove their point by telling Congress that endeavor first year FO's, for example, can make almost $55,000 per year in salary + insurance + retention bonus + per diem, etc., all while having almost two weeks worth of days off each month... Or by saying captains can make $100k+... As a side note, when did Great Lakes start paying $25k/year to first year FOs?! |
Originally Posted by John Carr
(Post 1923813)
It went there on page 1.
When you do some things like exclude the bonuses and whatever else is being offered, one of the takeaways could be this; "Hey, look at these horrendous pay rates. Rates that we, ALPA agreed to and pilots have been showing up to fly for for decades now. However, in this time of record profits at the legacies, we're still barely (if at all) concerned about compensation at the regional level". They gotta pay their dues........ Even though first year pay is abysmal, they need to take it to years 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, whatever as well. |
Originally Posted by Celeste
(Post 1923948)
Obviously this appears to be a piece used fOr lobbying, not a lets bash skywest or non-alpa carriers. Politicians don't really know about this profession, and the public perception is that airline pilots are all taking home six figure salaries. This is to clear that perception up for policymakers who probably will be looking at watering down the 1500 hour rule and maybe even 117 in short order. They have to use some metric like hourly rate × min guarantee to show what our pay really is. If you tell a normal person starting pilots get $24/hour, they are going to assume that we are working 40 hours per week at that rate and making $50, 000/year. If you explain that it is only per flight hour and only fly 75-85 hours per month, that's going to sound like a part time job...
I do think skywest is a good company, and yes, this doesn't factor in work rules and bennies that puts skywest ahead of most other regionals. With that being said, I would think that everyone here would agree that 24/hour is deplorable for the training and qualifications it takes to get into 121 flying. Good insurance and 401k makes it slightly more palatable, but doesn't pay rent, utilities, food, kid's expenses, etc. ALPA certainly isn't going to prove their point by telling Congress that endeavor first year FO's, for example, can make almost $55,000 per year in salary + insurance + retention bonus + per diem, etc., all while having almost two weeks worth of days off each month... Or by saying captains can make $100k+... As a side note, when did Great Lakes start paying $25k/year to first year FOs?! |
Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
(Post 1923882)
Your whole post is a major fail. So, lets hear it. What management pogue am I, who do I work for, and how is it I know who you are? I would not be poking fingers at anyone around here..pretty dangerous for a guy who is not anonymous...
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
(Post 1924042)
That wasn't the point of the paper. Did you even bother to read it?!
ALPA continues to maintain that the airlines struggling to find pilots are those that don’t offer competitive wages, benefits, reasonable working conditions, and a career path. If Airlines Don’t Act Now to Provide New Pilots with Adequate Compensation and Career Paths, the Threat of a Pilot Shortage Looms in the Future. Currently, some airlines have heeded ALPA’s warning and taken initial action to stem a shortage by creating stronger compensation packages for new hires. So yeah, I read it. And yeah, I've been in ALPA and paying dues a little under half my life time. And yeah, I've been through a furlough, and concessions, and a shut down, and displacements. But there's enough blame to go around on who pooched the screw on compensation levels. Sorry man, that's just the truth. You can stick you head in the sand and not accept, or acknowledge it. It's your choice. |
Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
(Post 1924177)
I own you. You are scared, and this proves it. Game on.
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CCB and MF
http://i.imgur.com/DKJhx9l.gif
I really hope one of you doesn't get the other fired, because where else am I going to get my in flight entertainment? |
Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
(Post 1924177)
I own you. You are scared, and this proves it. Game on.
Of course you won't though. And it actually reads like he owns YOU. Haha! |
Fun fact, judging by post #54, MF apparently types "swollen" more than he types "SWOL".
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Thread closed due to developing into a low speed spiral of stupid.
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