SkyWest is the lowest paid regional (ALPA)
 

I've always believed that ALPA is a complete joke at the regional level. This little bulletin just confirms it.

According to ALPA Skywest airlines is the lowest paying regional airline in the industry.

Mesa, Republic, GoJet, and even Great Lakes pay more than SkyWest according to ALPA.......what a joke.

http://www.alpa.org/~/media/ALPA/Fil...fact-sheet.pdf

LOL, not Skywest! It can't be true.

In fairness that does look like first year pay only. I'm sure that snapshot would look different for year 2+

I think that what they did was multiply first year pay by minimum monthly guarantee. I believe it should also take into account other objective, calculable compensation. That would include company contribution and matching funds.

Just checked my year 1 W-2 and I made $21,500. I'm sure my take home was less than that after buying my bag, uniform, headset and chart bag. So glad to see that first year pay has kept up with inflation like the rest of our wages.

Is the advert a little extreme? Maybe. But no less than XJT claiming to have the best flow through to the majors or any of the other flat out lies that recruiters will tell enthusiastic CFI's to get them in the door. There are lots of things to be critical with ALPA in regards to how they treat the regionals, but I don't see this as one of them. Why do you think SW is wanting to raise first year pay so bad? They want to be able to have some reason to show they are different and offset the fast upgrades and signing bonuses that others are offering.

One other aspect that needs to be disclosed when talking about SkyWest hourly rates is that for all other airlines, they pay marketing block, SkyWest pays what is called "historic credit". In about 98% of the flights on your schedule you will see you are paid less than what is blocked in what is called "historic credit". The only time you get paid more is if the flight goes long for whatever reason, is if it goes over the historical credit value.

So comparing our hourly rates to other airlines really can't be done apples to apples.

I've seen some 4 day trips that have the credit over an hour less than the block, and the company has total control over what will be assigned the credit value, there is no transparency.

The very first Seattle to Kechtican flight was credited 21 minutes less than the marketing block. How do you have historical credit on a flight that has never occured?

What a surprise that alpa targets Skywest one of the few regionals they don't represent. Alpa is a complete and utter joke, look how they have represented every regional that has hit hard timers...comair, envoy.... When the new TA passes (which it will) first year pay will be above average for the industry. Skywest still filling classes, three ERJ classes next
Month..,,wonder why that is?!

This based on first year pay, second year pay more than makes up for it, above average for sure. This also doesn't factor in work rules such as cancellation pay which some of the regionals on that list don't have. Their calculation is also off.

What often gets lost in these types of discussions is total compensation versus a pay check. What is better being a Teamster truck driver making $15 an hour with defined pension and zero cost health care versus being a 1099 driver making $20. Retirement, medical, per diem, and work rules all play a big part.

A lot of companies these days send out an annual total comp report to employees to highlight the fact that most get a lot more compensation than just wages.

In the case of a regional I think the only thing that would matter is who gets you 1000 of turbine PIC first. That delivers more lifetime earnings than anything else from what I can see.

Talk about everyone missing the point. This isn't propaganda to attack the non-union carrier. If this were truly an assault, it would also assault all Teamsters airlines as well. This is to distribute to Congress, media and the American people regarding low wages at regional airlines. Quit playing the victim with all your fake outrage. They are trying to help, not hurt.

You think Congress don't already know that Regional Pay is a joke? No matter what regional you pick? How about mainline either take back ALL the flying or pay the FFD carriers what they are really worth! Mainline Management love the C scale it's not going away, they have more lobbyist than the regionals.


Ask yourself why did Delta shut down Comair and purchased Pinnacle. It's to control cost of ALL their feed?

You act as if Congress is a perpetual and stable entity. How many new members are there every 2 years? There is a possibility of significant turnover. Then, you have the RAA whispering in their ears about how these new regulations are causing a shortage of pilots when, in reality, many of their problems are compensation based. This is anti-RAA lobbying to prevent the roll-back of the Colgan regulations.

Read to the end of the ALPA flyer. Read "What is the solution?" This outlines the point of the entire pamphlet.

Reading comprehension is not strong and butt hurt seems to be high in the regional airline industry. This was not a swipe at Skywest by ANY stretch of the imagination!

:rolleyes:

I rest my case:

ALPA should mind its own business.

You're right. Just let management do whatever it wants. That is going to work out great for everyone.

Oh. I wasn't aware that everyone's work rules match FAR 117 exactly.

No clown. The point is that most airlines' work rules exceed and some far exceed those imposed by the Feds. That's because it had been negotiated by a collective bargaining unit.

And you honestly think that Mesa, endeavor, envoy, or xjt pilots would do better without a union dealing with their respective ceo's?! This wasn't a target at Skywest or anyone other regional. To be fair, I don't believe they were completely honest with these numbers. For example, these numbers were calculated purely by multiplying first pay rate by minimum monthly guarantee. There are other forms of compensation that can be just as easily calculated to the penny. For example, xjt ERJ pilots get a 2.5% company contribution as well. That form of deferred compensation is not included in those numbers when they easily could've without diluting the main point of the article.

You missed his point though and don't have anything else to say when he corrected you. No, management can't just do what they want, unless you are non-union (and even if you are, it takes time to fight their intransigence). But this isn't just about management, which is the other point you missed. The regionals have their association that is out there doing the same. This is the unions using the same strategy.

I'm a little uncomfortable with you agreeing with me. It's an above average scenario for sure.

What do you call a non union pilot group taking union jobs?

I think they'd be better off with a regional only Union but that will probably never come to fruition. I believe alpa is a major conflict on interest between mainline and regionals.

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No longer just a regional shagging---look at what they're trying to shove down mother Delta's pilots throats in this time of record profits.

Alpa is done.

SkyWest is the lowest paid regional (ALPA)
 

You are not making sense again. So you say management can't do whatever it wants. Ok, but this isn't just about management. That's what you refuse to grasp, or its more likely that you have the wool pulled over your eyes.



Hehe, we both know what is average and what is above average even if you refuse to actually admit it in writing here.;)

But I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to point out bullet point by bullet point comparison of the two!

LOL oh my god seriously? Tell me I missed the sarcasm in your post.

2nd year pay MORE than makes up for it? You go from $20k to $33k if you're talking only min guarantee. A difference of $13k does not MORE than make up for it. Even if it's more than other airlines it's still a joke.

I could swallow this whole BS first year pay if I went from making $25k to $60k+ the next year, but that's not the case at all. You don't make up any financial losses you incurred during that first year pay. It's literally just a feel good scenario, because you're finally seeing a "real" paycheck.

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See, that's a golden point you just made there. If airline management breaks a rule and violates whomevers contract, the worst thing that can happen to them is that they're made to abide by whatever rule that they were supposed to follow in the first place.

They never get fined. Not even a slap on the knuckles.

If a pilot breaks a rule, he or she can loose their jobs and thus face extreme financial hardship.

Airline management should face similar punishment. Let's say 10 million per occurrence. All proceeds to be split among the pilot group.

You would see some different attitudes then. But it will never happen.

Pretty sure you are talking regulatory issues where he is talking contractual issues.

Sure airlines get fined for mx violations, long on board delays, whatever.

They DO NOT get fined for violating a CBA.

Cool smug last sentence though. :rolleyes:

This thread is gayer than marriage. So much fail, all around. Go home everybody.

Pilots, doing what they do best jamming harpoons into each other. Don't have to be ALPA to do that, they have just perfected it to a higher level, than the other Non-Union carriers pilots.

Wrong on more than a few counts, certificate actions only apply to those who hold certificates. Management pogues everywhere don't have any certificates in the fight, only drivers licenses to drive their Bentlys, Ferrarris, and Bugattis to their corner offices. The few that have SEC limits only have to worry if the company shareholders are gonna be paying the fines for them. The massive Freudian slips in your above statement shows that you know very little about this industry, par for a management pogue.

Equating an airline to management, classic! Airlines manage to operate in spite of management, thanks to the front line employees.

Know what happens when you don't show up for work, nothing, except a few less ruffled feathers on APC, know what happens when a pilot, mechanic F/A, ramper ect doesn't come to work, flights get delayed, or cancelled. Small but subtle difference.

Don't you have another masterful waterbottle FOIB to craft?

Thanks to The Supremes you can now get married too!

Holy thread drift. This thread now officially has nothing to do with the ALPA pamphlet!

It went there on page 1.

When you do some things like exclude the bonuses and whatever else is being offered, one of the takeaways could be this;

"Hey, look at these horrendous pay rates. Rates that we, ALPA agreed to and pilots have been showing up to fly for for decades now. However, in this time of record profits at the legacies, we're still barely (if at all) concerned about compensation at the regional level".

They gotta pay their dues........

Even though first year pay is abysmal, they need to take it to years 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, whatever as well.