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See, that's a golden point you just made there. If airline management breaks a rule and violates whomevers contract, the worst thing that can happen to them is that they're made to abide by whatever rule that they were supposed to follow in the first place.

They never get fined. Not even a slap on the knuckles.

If a pilot breaks a rule, he or she can loose their jobs and thus face extreme financial hardship.

Airline management should face similar punishment. Let's say 10 million per occurrence. All proceeds to be split among the pilot group.

You would see some different attitudes then. But it will never happen.

Pretty sure you are talking regulatory issues where he is talking contractual issues.

Sure airlines get fined for mx violations, long on board delays, whatever.

They DO NOT get fined for violating a CBA.

Cool smug last sentence though. :rolleyes:

This thread is gayer than marriage. So much fail, all around. Go home everybody.

Pilots, doing what they do best jamming harpoons into each other. Don't have to be ALPA to do that, they have just perfected it to a higher level, than the other Non-Union carriers pilots.

Wrong on more than a few counts, certificate actions only apply to those who hold certificates. Management pogues everywhere don't have any certificates in the fight, only drivers licenses to drive their Bentlys, Ferrarris, and Bugattis to their corner offices. The few that have SEC limits only have to worry if the company shareholders are gonna be paying the fines for them. The massive Freudian slips in your above statement shows that you know very little about this industry, par for a management pogue.

Equating an airline to management, classic! Airlines manage to operate in spite of management, thanks to the front line employees.

Know what happens when you don't show up for work, nothing, except a few less ruffled feathers on APC, know what happens when a pilot, mechanic F/A, ramper ect doesn't come to work, flights get delayed, or cancelled. Small but subtle difference.

Don't you have another masterful waterbottle FOIB to craft?

Thanks to The Supremes you can now get married too!

Holy thread drift. This thread now officially has nothing to do with the ALPA pamphlet!

It went there on page 1.

When you do some things like exclude the bonuses and whatever else is being offered, one of the takeaways could be this;

"Hey, look at these horrendous pay rates. Rates that we, ALPA agreed to and pilots have been showing up to fly for for decades now. However, in this time of record profits at the legacies, we're still barely (if at all) concerned about compensation at the regional level".

They gotta pay their dues........

Even though first year pay is abysmal, they need to take it to years 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, whatever as well.