Skywest gets 19 more 175s from delta
10-28-2015, 10:35 AM
#151
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
Sorry,
The legal system is many things, but SAPA is funded by Skywest Airlines.
SAPA is not a recognized collective bargaining unit. Without a recognized bargaining unit, you cannot by definition have a CBA. Todd E. works for SKYW as their mouthpiece, and outside of a courtroom he can say that the moon is made of green cheese, to no ill effect. If you believe him that is your decision, I will stick to the legal system and their interpretations/determinations.
Since SKYW pilots have not applied for certification, via:
29CFR102.61
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/102.61
There is no certificated bargaining unit. Thus no CBA, the "contract" is debatable since the company insists that it is an "at will" employer.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-a...-overview.aspx
And if you are still unsure read Don Douglas v Skywest:
http://employmentlawgroupblog.com/wp...t-airlines.pdf
This is unwashed truth as determined by the court system, spin away.
Kool Aid is strong stuff, too strong for many
The legal system is many things, but SAPA is funded by Skywest Airlines.
SAPA is not a recognized collective bargaining unit. Without a recognized bargaining unit, you cannot by definition have a CBA. Todd E. works for SKYW as their mouthpiece, and outside of a courtroom he can say that the moon is made of green cheese, to no ill effect. If you believe him that is your decision, I will stick to the legal system and their interpretations/determinations.
Since SKYW pilots have not applied for certification, via:
29CFR102.61
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/102.61
There is no certificated bargaining unit. Thus no CBA, the "contract" is debatable since the company insists that it is an "at will" employer.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-a...-overview.aspx
And if you are still unsure read Don Douglas v Skywest:
http://employmentlawgroupblog.com/wp...t-airlines.pdf
This is unwashed truth as determined by the court system, spin away.
Kool Aid is strong stuff, too strong for many
This should be a huge wake up call to everyone to see how a 16 year employee is treated after calling in fatigued. The fact that TF is still employed here is unbelievable.
10-28-2015, 10:43 AM
#152
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
Sorry,
The legal system is many things, but SAPA is funded by Skywest Airlines.
SAPA is not a recognized collective bargaining unit. Without a recognized bargaining unit, you cannot by definition have a CBA.
The legal system is many things, but SAPA is funded by Skywest Airlines.
SAPA is not a recognized collective bargaining unit. Without a recognized bargaining unit, you cannot by definition have a CBA.
10-28-2015, 10:52 AM
#153
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Posts: 516
Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom
Sorry,
The legal system is many things, but SAPA is funded by Skywest Airlines.
SAPA is not a recognized collective bargaining unit. Without a recognized bargaining unit, you cannot by definition have a CBA. Todd E. works for SKYW as their mouthpiece, and outside of a courtroom he can say that the moon is made of green cheese, to no ill effect. If you believe him that is your decision, I will stick to the legal system and their interpretations/determinations.
Since SKYW pilots have not applied for certification, via:
29CFR102.61
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/102.61
There is no certificated bargaining unit. Thus no CBA, the "contract" is debatable since the company insists that it is an "at will" employer.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-a...-overview.aspx
And if you are still unsure read Don Douglas v Skywest:
http://employmentlawgroupblog.com/wp...t-airlines.pdf
This is unwashed truth as determined by the court system, spin away.
Kool Aid is strong stuff, too strong for many
The legal system is many things, but SAPA is funded by Skywest Airlines.
SAPA is not a recognized collective bargaining unit. Without a recognized bargaining unit, you cannot by definition have a CBA. Todd E. works for SKYW as their mouthpiece, and outside of a courtroom he can say that the moon is made of green cheese, to no ill effect. If you believe him that is your decision, I will stick to the legal system and their interpretations/determinations.
Since SKYW pilots have not applied for certification, via:
29CFR102.61
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/102.61
There is no certificated bargaining unit. Thus no CBA, the "contract" is debatable since the company insists that it is an "at will" employer.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-a...-overview.aspx
And if you are still unsure read Don Douglas v Skywest:
http://employmentlawgroupblog.com/wp...t-airlines.pdf
This is unwashed truth as determined by the court system, spin away.
Kool Aid is strong stuff, too strong for many
1) I never said SAPA was a certified bargaining unit, it's not, we all know that.
2) The contract is not "debatable." It's a signed legal document outlining what the company is obligated to and what the pilots are obligated to. Nothing more, nothing less. The company is legally obligated to follow what's in it. It can't unilaterally change the policy without leaving themselves open to legal liability.
3) Nobody is arguing the "at will" employment arrangement at skywest. We are all at will employees, and I fully admit that changing this dynamic would probably be the single largest advantage to having a certified union on property. However, that does not change the fact, that "at will" employees can still have a contract that spells out the employment terms of pay, work rules, etc.
Admittedly, there is a ton of grey area, but the two are not mutually exclusive.
10-28-2015, 12:10 PM
#154
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Actually, don't you think Delta would want their best performing regional doing all the heavy lifting in the markets that Delta is trying to grow?
10-28-2015, 12:30 PM
#155
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
Really, hows that working for JNU? Done in January for Skywest and it's entirely due to performance.
10-28-2015, 12:34 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Not sure how this was a slam against SkyWest, but cool story bro. But you notice Delta trusts SkyWest with these types of routes more than any of their other carriers. Class dismissed.
10-28-2015, 12:35 PM
#157
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Not sure how this was a slam against SkyWest, but cool story bro. But you notice Delta trusts SkyWest with these types of routes more than any of their other carriers. Class dismissed.
10-28-2015, 12:35 PM
#158
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Originally Posted by NVUS
Not sure how this was a slam against SkyWest, but cool story bro. But you notice Delta got cheaper rates at SkyWest with these types of routes more than any of their other carriers. Class dismissed.
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