Skywest Jumpseat Denial
 

I was denied a jumpseat on UA 5623 from GDL to IAH this morning (Sep 27) by the captain.

I fully understand that the JS is entirely at captains discretion but I have never been arbitrarily denied it's use. Over the years I have carried hundreds of jumpseaters and have never denied anybody. I understand that there may be an operational reason why I couldn't be accommodated but, if so, I wasn't informed of the reason.

I'm a mainline UAL captain and would hate to have to start denying Skywest pilots the use of my jumpseat.

Thoughts?

Have you reached out to Skywest's and your jumpseat committees? That's a poor showing if he didn't give you any reason.

Weight restricted maybe. Maybe it was a IOE trip and he didn't want someone up there. I'll take a guess there was a legit reason, but if there wasn't, then yeah, he needs to be reported. Whatever the reason might be, you didn't get on. No reason to pout about it. Sorry you have to spend a little extra time in Mexico. It sucks but be grown up and move on. It's not the end of the world.

You must be fun to fly with!

Most people tell me I am, thanks for noticing though! But to give you a legit answer. It's probably becuase you are in Mexico. Maybe policy doesn't permit to or from international. That's my guess.

International flight deck j/s authorized now?

No jumpseaters in the actual int'l except FAA/LCA.

I agree. Captains jumpseat. However, if there was an operational reason for the denial someone should have given you the reason. Personally I do that myself when weight restricted, etc. If you were denied just because he/she didn't feel like it, that's pretty unprofessional.

Was there a seat in the back, or was the only open seat the jumpseat? Because I thought the jumpseat was off limits for international flights...

Is that a Skywest thing? I've often been on the Expressjet intl jumpseat.

I don't think GLD is Mexico

GDL - Guadalajara

Strange. I don't believe it's simply a SKW thing. Fairly certain this is the norm regarding offline jump-seating internationally in most cases. .

Quit trolling. International Jumpseat in the actual has not been allowed at any carrier in the last 10 years (since I've been in). If express jet is allowing you in the actual, which highly doubt they are, then someone could be in real trouble.

I've heard it's been approved by the TSA/FAA, but haven't heard of any carriers practicing this. Maybe you were in the extra FA Jumpseat by the crapper. Skywest doesn't have those.

JS riding internationally is not allowed


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As a UAL mainline Captain, you'd think he/she would know this.

my bad. I read GLD.

WEll that is all I need to read right there.

For the rest reading.
-The international Jumpseat is not allowed at skyw (reciprocally)
- GDL is remote boarding. They bus people to the airplane. The captain would have to delay the flight to get back to the airport some how.

Former SkyW guy here - even company pilots can't occupy actual for international legs so no need to get all excited. Probably a good idea to ask the question without the threat of denying jumpseats.

He should have explained his reasoning. Poor communicator.... Next topic.

Ok, I apologize. It was a last minute very rushed situation. The agent asked if I could take the jumpseat to get another non-rev on. I said yes immediately without thinking it through. I was cleared by CASS and thought all was golden until the captain said 'nyet'.

No harm, no foul!

He should have at least given you the courtesy of explaining skywests policy towards international Jumpseating.

Always coordinate with the crew before giving up your nonrev or deadhead cabin seat at the request of CS. JS is always lower priority than any nonrev, including buddy pass.

If you give up nonrev or even deadhead status to help somebody out you always become last priority for getting on if W&B is an issue. And that CS agent who was so nice when she asked for your help is probably not going to be so nice if you ask her to pull off a pass rider and give that seat back to you two minutes prior to scheduled departure.

Seriously, how can you be a longtime Captain and not know who and when it is allowed to have a pilot in your actual Jumpseat?

It was nice to give up your seat to another non-rev but always tell the agent "I'm OK with the jump but check first with the crew".

Actually I was more confused about whose metal we were on. I thought it was UAL and only subsequently discovered it was SKW.

You seem like a real gem.

You admit you were late to the gate and you admit knowing there could have been an operational reason why (which was the case; No JS in the actual on international, which furthermore I find pretty hard to believe you didn't know about), but you still chose to write a *****y little comment about possibly denying skywest pilots.

I noticed in your post history you also whined about not being given a heroes welcome on a DL flight before too.

Think you might have a complex.

After everything that has come out in this thread, my thoughts are that you are the TOTD.

Mods, thread doesn't pass the smell test, has done damage to the accused pilot group.
Delete or close.

Done damage? Boo hoo, someone said something bad about the mighty Skywest and you want them to close the thread? The guy was a clown for thinking he could JS internationally but that doesn't mean harm was done to anyone.

Nope, the poor showing was an alleged UAL CA that SHOULD KNOW BETTER came on here and posted it.

You couldn't tell the difference between a mainline UAL aircraft and a Skywest RJ? Methinks you're as much of a 'mainline UA Captain' as I am Mickey Mouse.

You guys keep saying this over and over like it's true. He probably thought it was a United flight. I'd imagine that United pilots can sit in the actual jumpseat internationally. Delta can. I have done it. So, maybe you should know better.

Like I pointed out to someone else, some carriers allow international Jumpseat. Skywest does not but Delta does. The guy did apologize.

Meanwhile, in Africa....

It's kind of funny, the non rev listing will tell how many seats are on the plane. IOW, the size/capacity of the airframe being operated. Nevermind the flight number, etc.

It's not rocket surgery.

And thanks for the tidbit of I should "know better". I've done JS committ work, have you?

Still stand by my statement. Coming on here and giving the details was poor form without FIRST going to his JS committee to get a clarification.

And imagine if he actually went through the proper channels and gained this knowledge PRIOR to coming on here and posting? Wouldn't even have to apologize.....

Imagine if nobody ever made mistakes ever! Half of us would be out of the job!

I don't disagree with that at all.

But sometimes it's NOT the mistake, but how one handles it.

Seek information before drawing a conclusion? Or just make a posting on a forum and try to blame people? Just sayin'....

The flight numbers give it away that it wasn't your metal. What about the loads numbers when you listed? Ignorance is not an excuse, if that's what your claiming.

It's not a Skywest policy. It's everyone's policy.

Even if he confused a UAL flight with a SKW flight, he clearly found out that it was in fact a SKW flight and came here to post about it.

Regardless, OP apologized. Let's move on. We all make mistakes.