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Those damn slow-starting 717s
Originally Posted by Psycho18th
(Post 2455633)
I've flown it a couple times now. PIT-OAK-PHX. BOS-MDW. Can't remember where else. Not sure what the plan is for them long term. I didn't know we were going to have one on the trip until I did the walkaround. Flies like the other jets as far as I can tell as a brand new guy. Did seem a bit quieter, and there was some music playing during boarding. Takes FOREVER for the engines to start.
Psycho I'd be curious to see the parts commonality between the 700 and the MAX. |
Originally Posted by Laramie
(Post 2460739)
Wasn't that one of the big reasons for ****-canning the 717s? "It would slow down the operation." "Can't do the fast turns." "Takes too long to start." "Expensive to have more than one type."
I'd be curious to see the parts commonality between the 700 and the MAX. Probably about the same as the classics - around 30 percent. The max is all about fuel savings. Fuel savings look good on a spreadsheet and a quarterly report and can give you instant empirical data. Our turn times have slowed so much in the last few years, it really isn’t a metric that matters much anymore. As a pilot, I get my part of the turn done in about 5 minutes, shoot the breeze with the A FA, check my phone, use the bathroom, and get food. About 10 prior to push I usually start the apu if I ever turned it off and get ready to go. I am constantly amazed at the huge delays we take, especially at big stations. You can always tell when you are boarding the B group at 5 prior to push and the ops agent looks like someone is holding a gun to their head that things aren’t going well. Then when you are finally ready and the ramp can’t figure out how to get the wireless headset to work for 5 minutes only to tell you that we are waiting on 5 bags, you know it must be go home day. Then when you finally call for push and you are number 3 for the alley, you can text your wife and make a reservation at the commuter hotel. 45 seconds of starting an engine isn’t going to make a hill of beans in this operation. Besides, by that point you are off the gate and nobody at the company cares what happens at that point. They are all about pushing on time no matter what the results at the end of the flight. |
Parts commonality is just part of it. One type for all the pilots has to simplify scheduling, and save training costs.
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
(Post 2460749)
Probably about the same as the classics - around 30 percent. The max is all about fuel savings. Fuel savings look good on a spreadsheet and a quarterly report and can give you instant empirical data.
Our turn times have slowed so much in the last few years, it really isn’t a metric that matters much anymore. As a pilot, I get my part of the turn done in about 5 minutes, shoot the breeze with the A FA, check my phone, use the bathroom, and get food. About 10 prior to push I usually start the apu if I ever turned it off and get ready to go. I am constantly amazed at the huge delays we take, especially at big stations. You can always tell when you are boarding the B group at 5 prior to push and the ops agent looks like someone is holding a gun to their head that things aren’t going well. Then when you are finally ready and the ramp can’t figure out how to get the wireless headset to work for 5 minutes only to tell you that we are waiting on 5 bags, you know it must be go home day. Then when you finally call for push and you are number 3 for the alley, you can text your wife and make a reservation at the commuter hotel. 45 seconds of starting an engine isn’t going to make a hill of beans in this operation. Besides, by that point you are off the gate and nobody at the company cares what happens at that point. They are all about pushing on time no matter what the results at the end of the flight. |
Originally Posted by Peacock
(Post 2460825)
Parts commonality is just part of it. One type for all the pilots has to simplify scheduling, and save training costs.
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1 or 2 cockpit jumps??? Gotta catch a ride Friday and its on a full max. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by THE SHAFT
(Post 2462993)
1 or 2 cockpit jumps??? Gotta catch a ride Friday and its on a full max. Thanks!
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Thank you.........
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