When I talked to a recruiter she said 1000 a year is the baseline they get however she said management keeps coming back asking for more

Thanks for doing the math for us. I appreciate it! Also keeping in mind that the economy is cyclical and it’s unlikely that it will continue to fire on all cylinders for the next 5 years.

I don’t commute anymore. Gave up and moved to domicile a couple of years ago because of the fact that there were no commutable lines. (at least for me, commuting offline to a different airport and taking the train from there to my domicile)

That said, my child is 11 years old right now. He has about 5 and a half more years at home before he heads to college. I will want to be home for all of those important milestones over those 5-6 years. Games, concerts, dances, first dates, graduation, and as much summer and holiday vacation as I can wrangle.

So, while I can’t guess how the temptation of seeing classmates upgrade might make me feel.... at the moment I would say no, I wouldn’t plan on the first upgrade. I’d wait until he goes to college in 2024 or so. Easy to say that when I’m not faced with the choice though.

Fwiw that would leave me with about 13 years in the left seat before retirement.


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2015 hire and if that math works my oldest would be 10. I’d bypass till I can hold CA in my base and drive to work on rsv. Might commute to LAS since it’s a easy commute and hotels are cheap...I’m done with crashpads. Upgrade in 2022 would give me 24 yrs in the left seat if I punched out at 65.

Man I am so jealous of you for so many reasons. [emoji106] I’m happy for ya.


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Thanks! Thought I was screwed in 2009 when the economy and age 65 derailed my “plans”. Could’ve been here or somewhere else at 28 instead of 34. Even with the lost 5 years I’ve still got it pretty darn good in the grand scheme of things. Definitely can’t complain at all.

I was 26 when I started at my first major. [emoji17] That was 15 years, almost to the day before I started at WN. [emoji31]


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One thing I’ve learned: there’s always someone who’s got it way better than you and there’s always someone who’s had it way worse. At least things are moving in the right direction for now.

Family always comes first and that's fantastic. But I can see how flying with a 1%'er could push someone over the top if they have seniority to upgrade... Fly with a true kernal once, you really start thinking about it, fly with another one, and off to upgrade and commuting to OAK or LAS you go. ;)

Well it's official, Atlanta FO no longer senior...now only takes one year on property to hold it verses ten this time last year.

Wonder if Proximity or anyone else can expand on this a bit. My "perfect" scenario would be to live in the MKE area and drive to work. As I understand it, if called to work while on reserve you need to report w/in 2 hours. That is probably do-able from a southern MKE suburb if it isn't rush hour in Chicago (so from roughly 1am to 4am :D) but could definitely be an issue during peak traffic times.

Is there any "leniency" on the 2-hour report time if traffic (or the like) causes a late report?

I presume that worst case, this would be a temporary problem until becoming a hard line holder but please correct me if my thinking is off.

Thanks!