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Old 11-24-2017, 07:34 PM   #1  
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Default Cartels at SWA

I am a noob SWA guy. That being said I understand both sides of the argument for block bidding and see each side. I have heard grumblings of cartels being unfair to the pilots not in them. Can someone experienced at SWA explain both sides of the argument for and against cartels (as much of an unbiased view as possible).
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For cartels? There is a reason that cartels operate in the netherworld of board blocking and double secret trading. Because the stuff they do is shady, undermines seniority, and is generally frowned upon by both the pilots and flight ops management.
Cartel vacation trading really doesnít fall under that category. I mean, once you get your vacation weeks you can trade them to whomever you choose. I think a lot of guys just have a problem with the way weeks are awarded in the first place, not the trading of said weeks. If someone wants to trade a week with his sim partners cousin, have at it.
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I am a noob SWA guy. That being said I understand both sides of the argument for block bidding and see each side. I have heard grumblings of cartels being unfair to the pilots not in them. Can someone experienced at SWA explain both sides of the argument for and against cartels (as much of an unbiased view as possible).
The upside of the cartels, assuming you're in one, is that you can maximize your pay and or time off. The downside is that you basically hand control of your board to the cartel leader(s),and they play a shell game on your and other member's boards to manipulate the flying to maximize the TFP for each member. The lower on the pyramid you are, the worse deals you're gonna get.

For everyone NOT in a cartel, you lose out on open time that you would otherwise have gotten, because they've circumvented the rules to get themselves, temporarily, under the cap.

There have been many attempts to regulate this behavior, but all have either petered out or met fierce resistance.

IMHO, the only way to curtail it without screwing the entire group is to make the cap ONLY apply to trips taken from open time. This way, a guy who's .01 over the cap because he overflew his awarded line won't lose out to a guy who was, and will be 20-30tfp over the cap 5 minutes after open time closes and the cartel Don puts the trip they parked on another board back onto his.

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If you move a trip off your board, you should not be able to move it back. Won't stop all of it.
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What is this all about??
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If you move a trip off your board, you should not be able to move it back. Won't stop all of it.
It would certainly help a bit, but they'd just move it to another cartel member's board.
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Isnít it like fight club?
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IMHO, the only way to curtail it without screwing the entire group is to make the cap ONLY apply to trips taken from open time. This way, a guy who's .01 over the cap because he overflew his awarded line won't lose out to a guy who was, and will be 20-30tfp over the cap 5 minutes after open time closes and the cartel Don puts the trip they parked on another board back onto his.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bingo!
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Isnít it like fight club?
Yup......
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