Hawaii flying
05-04-2018 | 06:04 AM
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San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.
There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.
There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.
05-04-2018 | 06:14 AM
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San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.
There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.
There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.
05-04-2018 | 06:18 AM
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05-04-2018 | 06:24 AM
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San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.
There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.
There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.
05-04-2018 | 06:36 AM
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05-04-2018 | 07:11 AM
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It will be in the Ocho, which does fine in SAN. I have never had a weight issue out of there. People tend to think of the runway as being short, not really sure why. It’s 9400 feet long which is an eternity in the 800.
Not saying there won’t be any issues at all, I just don’t think it is going to be a problem on a regular basis.
Not saying there won’t be any issues at all, I just don’t think it is going to be a problem on a regular basis.
05-04-2018 | 07:32 AM
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San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.
There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.
There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.
05-04-2018 | 10:44 AM
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WN has only about 30 -800s ETOPS ready.
No MAXs, anywhere, are ETOPS ready. Not sure when they will be delivered. Wait and see. They will be integrated eventually.
Seeing as LIH is 6500' and OGG is 7000' and warmer than SAN, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Yield won't be stellar, but it's not about CA-HI specifically as it is the CA market as a whole. They all go to HI for a weekend.
No MAXs, anywhere, are ETOPS ready. Not sure when they will be delivered. Wait and see. They will be integrated eventually.
Seeing as LIH is 6500' and OGG is 7000' and warmer than SAN, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Yield won't be stellar, but it's not about CA-HI specifically as it is the CA market as a whole. They all go to HI for a weekend.
05-04-2018 | 11:16 AM
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They used to, but I don't think they stop now (they had a code-share with cactus, and would pick up pax in PHX back in the day). It's mostly a 777, only occasionally the 74 these days (the triple goes nonstop).
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05-11-2018 | 03:29 PM
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If your base of operations is out of a State, YOU PAY TAXES TO THE STATE THAT BASE IS IN.... I was ****ed when IL hiked up their rate, but it's still close to 1/3 of what CA is.
I mean we would all be claiming TX or NV residency if we could get away with it, but it's illegal!
I mean we would all be claiming TX or NV residency if we could get away with it, but it's illegal!
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