Yet another depressurization
Southwest flight makes emergency landing after cabin loses pressure - Business Insider
Whats with this spike in losses of cabin pressure and emergency landings? 3 emergency landings in a month. If this record keeps on the uptick then SWA might end up like Allegiant, perhaps with its own 60 minutes special. I think if that happened the centerpiece on the special would be the violations by SWA mx a few years back. |
Yet another meaning two? Why not just say “another”
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2593616)
Southwest flight makes emergency landing after cabin loses pressure - Business Insider
Whats with this spike in losses of cabin pressure and emergency landings? 3 emergency landings in a month. If this record keeps on the uptick then SWA might end up like Allegiant, perhaps with its own 60 minutes special. I think if that happened the centerpiece on the special would be the violations by SWA mx a few years back. Gross overstatement of the facts. Southwest is by leaps and bounds ahead of Allegiant in a wide variety of safety metrics. The real question is why all of the sudden does the media feel the need to front-page every squawk that WN goes through? “A LOSS OF CABIN PRESSURE WHERE NO ONE WAS INJURED AND THE CREW DID EXACTLY AS TRAINED? GASP!” Please. The media is over inflating issues, exactly like they did last year with United. Southwest is perfectly fine, the media just wants ratings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by MarkVI
(Post 2593742)
Gross overstatement of the facts. Southwest is by leaps and bounds ahead of Allegiant in a wide variety of safety metrics. The real question is why all of the sudden does the media feel the need to front-page every squawk that WN goes through?
“A LOSS OF CABIN PRESSURE WHERE NO ONE WAS INJURED AND THE CREW DID EXACTLY AS TRAINED? GASP!” Please. The media is over inflating issues, exactly like they did last year with United. Southwest is perfectly fine, the media just wants ratings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Exactly. I expect the next headline for a weather diversion to be “SW almost ran out of fuel. They had to go to another airport.” Please. Just go away. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Uh, loss of pressurization is a bit different than making a tech stop. One of those is an emergency!
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Gosh, I hope we don’t have yet another ice age! :eek:
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SWA is far from 60 Minutes episodes and comparisons to Allegiant, but if there was ever a time to settle the contract with their mechanics, now would be the time.
5 years without a contract with a relatively small, however highly influential labor group is pushing one's luck, especially at a time when SWA is squarely in the media crosshairs. Add to that a revenue management department that has added flights, allowing maintenance less access time to repair aircraft due to later PM arrivals and earlier AM starts. The fleet is aging and the increased cycles will take their toll. SWA should be adding more quality mechanics with in house quality training. At 3.3 mechanics per plane (UAL 11.3 and AA 7.7) SWA should consider itself lean enough, but instead looks to further reduce the count to 2.7? In an industry that struggles to staff its ranks with the dwindling number of mechanics, this seems odd. |
Originally Posted by Peacock
(Post 2593632)
Yet another meaning two? Why not just say “another”
Another what? Garden variety loss of cabin pressure? That is not really an event, not to be compared with loss of cabin pressure associated with the cabin being penetrated by uncontained engine parts. I've had three of the former in my 121 career, put the mask on, descend to 10K, take the mask off, start figuring out how much range you have and where to go. The trick is to beat the masks to 14K. The masks will scare the beejezus out of the pax. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2593921)
Another what? Garden variety loss of cabin pressure? That is not really an event, not to be compared with loss of cabin pressure associated with the cabin being penetrated by uncontained engine parts.
I've had three of the former in my 121 career, put the mask on, descend to 10K, take the mask off, start figuring out how much range you have and where to go. The trick is to beat the masks to 14K. The masks will scare the beejezus out of the pax. |
Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2593963)
What do you mean by beat the masks to 14k? do you mean get below 10k before cabin alt reaches 14 and the masks drop or beat the time limit on the mask o2 generators?
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Just never heard that saying before.
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2594039)
Just never heard that saying before.
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2594039)
Just never heard that saying before.
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2593616)
Southwest flight makes emergency landing after cabin loses pressure - Business Insider
Whats with this spike in losses of cabin pressure and emergency landings? 3 emergency landings in a month. |
Originally Posted by 7Thirty7s4Life
(Post 2594390)
What is your experience level and current position? Your posts are suspect.
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2594562)
Weekend warrior but working thru the hours to get an ATP.
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Thanks for the advice but im still wondering what it means by beating the masks to 14,000. From a google search I found that the masks will deploy once cabin alt reaches 14k. But with a decompression are you trying to get to 10k aircraft altitude as fast as possible racing the cabin altitude to 14k so the masks don't deploy?
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2594716)
Thanks for the advice but im still wondering what it means by beating the masks to 14,000. From a google search I found that the masks will deploy once cabin alt reaches 14k. But with a decompression are you trying to get to 10k aircraft altitude as fast as possible racing the cabin altitude to 14k so the masks don't deploy?
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2594716)
Thanks for the advice but im still wondering what it means by beating the masks to 14,000. From a google search I found that the masks will deploy once cabin alt reaches 14k. But with a decompression are you trying to get to 10k aircraft altitude as fast as possible racing the cabin altitude to 14k so the masks don't deploy?
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But if its a rapid decompression then you have really no chance of beating the masks. A slow decompression makes more sense.
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2595134)
But if its a rapid decompression then you have really no chance of beating the masks. A slow decompression makes more sense.
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2595134)
But if its a rapid decompression then you have really no chance of beating the masks. A slow decompression makes more sense.
Most are slow. Packs, outflow valves, and door seals fail routinely... that's slow. Windows and fuselages rarely fail. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2595343)
Most are slow. Packs, outflow valves, and door seals fail routinely... that's slow.
Windows and fuselages rarely fail. YES! I actually had a "whistler" once. A door seal that was whistling. It wasn't even enough to cause any loss of pressure. Of course we landed anyways. |
The seal on the crew door on the MC-12 always wore out quick too. We used to just take our helmet bags and have the back-enders hold em up against it and womp! It would pull em into the gap and wammy, cabin px would be as good as new.
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Come now people, no need to blow a gasket over this.
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 2604354)
Come now people, no need to blow a gasket over this.
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Originally Posted by THEKERNALKLINK
(Post 2604234)
YES! I actually had a "whistler" once. A door seal that was whistling. It wasn't even enough to cause any loss of pressure. Of course we landed anyways.
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Originally Posted by THEKERNALKLINK
(Post 2604234)
YES! I actually had a "whistler" once. A door seal that was whistling. It wasn't even enough to cause any loss of pressure. Of course we landed anyways.
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Originally Posted by Ispeakjive
(Post 2606987)
From time to time, my a$$ whistles.
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Originally Posted by THEKERNALKLINK
(Post 2604234)
YES! I actually had a "whistler" once. A door seal that was whistling. It wasn't even enough to cause any loss of pressure. Of course we landed anyways.
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Yes, even lowly united mechanics make more than SW now.
And good luck if your company gets down to the 2.7 ratio.
Originally Posted by dawgdriver
(Post 2593917)
SWA is far from 60 Minutes episodes and comparisons to Allegiant, but if there was ever a time to settle the contract with their mechanics, now would be the time.
5 years without a contract with a relatively small, however highly influential labor group is pushing one's luck, especially at a time when SWA is squarely in the media crosshairs. Add to that a revenue management department that has added flights, allowing maintenance less access time to repair aircraft due to later PM arrivals and earlier AM starts. The fleet is aging and the increased cycles will take their toll. SWA should be adding more quality mechanics with in house quality training. At 3.3 mechanics per plane (UAL 11.3 and AA 7.7) SWA should consider itself lean enough, but instead looks to further reduce the count to 2.7? In an industry that struggles to staff its ranks with the dwindling number of mechanics, this seems odd. |
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