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HalinTexas 05-23-2019 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by BAFlightTEST (Post 2824643)
This place amazes me sometimes....We have a ton of qualed ETOPS guys here but they were in the wrong squadron to help re invent the wheel the TX way. They have CKA who have never flown ETOPS before teaching other CKA how to do it one or two flights. We need to have RQ pilots who did this day in and day out for years to help. Just one humble civilians opinion...:rolleyes:

PS...Yes I did volunteer and so did several other OAK pilots with serious over water time....

PSS... Clutch I can see we used to drive some of the same metal years ago...SAT

You sir, don’t know what you are talking about. I was in on it from the beginning. We are a new operator to ETOPS. We took the existing IFOM and dove-tailed in the two relevant AC’s. That’s it. Yeah, eventually we’ll probably go to electronic plotting, but the reliability of iPads and the storage of electronic records needs to remedied first. And we might go to “on-demand APU ops, but it takes an Ops Spec or two, and we want to start this year. Tech Ops had the hardest job. Why make it harder?

The B737 is NOT a great ETOPS airplane, but you go with what you got.

As far as CKAs doing the checking? That’s the seniority system. CKAs are captains that have applied to be CKAs. There are numerous experienced FOs and a few CAs that can do it, but they don’t want to commute or live in California. Again, you go with what you’ve got.

There seems to be a lot of “tech-cedure” circulating as well. All you need to know or procedures to follow are in the IFOM. Don’t make it hard.

4thLevel 05-23-2019 06:54 PM

I completely agree with Halin - the dudes that set-up our etops program did not come from "the squadron", and imo - they got it right. I've been around almost 3 decades and can attest firsthand to some of the stupid things we've done. This isn't one of them. The training was great and the several crossings I've done were, procedurally very clean and straightforward.

It amazes me how many mainline aircraft (UA/DL) are out there making HF position reports still.

ClutchCargo 05-23-2019 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by 4thLevel (Post 2825331)
I completely agree with Halin - the dudes that set-up our etops program did not come from "the squadron", and imo - they got it right. I've been around almost 3 decades and can attest firsthand to some of the stupid things we've done. This isn't one of them. The training was great and the several crossings I've done were, procedurally very clean and straightforward.



It amazes me how many mainline aircraft (UA/DL) are out there making HF position reports still.



I’m guessing that it was because they were having CPDLC problems.


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McNugent 05-24-2019 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by ClutchCargo (Post 2825366)
I’m guessing that it was because they were having CPDLC problems.


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UAL does still plot. We make position reports on certain fleets because the CPDLC isn’t Satcom.

ClutchCargo 05-24-2019 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by McNugent (Post 2825559)
UAL does still plot. We make position reports on certain fleets because the CPDLC isn’t Satcom.



Our CPDLC will revert to HF datalink if Satcom is not working. I didn’t realize that wasn’t standard...


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McNugent 05-24-2019 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by ClutchCargo (Post 2825615)
Our CPDLC will revert to HF datalink if Satcom is not working. I didn’t realize that wasn’t standard...


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I can’t speak to the 737 “Guppy” fleet, but that was the deal with our 757-300’s. It apparently sent out some sort of nuisance message to ATC if we attempted the VHF logon going to Hawaii.

ShyGuy 05-25-2019 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by BAFlightTEST (Post 2824643)
This place amazes me sometimes....We have a ton of qualed ETOPS guys here but they were in the wrong squadron to help re invent the wheel the TX way. They have CKA who have never flown ETOPS before teaching other CKA how to do it one or two flights. We need to have RQ pilots who did this day in and day out for years to help. Just one humble civilians opinion...:rolleyes:

PS...Yes I did volunteer and so did several other OAK pilots with serious over water time....

PSS... Clutch I can see we used to drive some of the same metal years ago...SAT


"Oahu Center.... hello?"


"Oahu Center, how do you read?"


"They're not responding. Try it on HF."


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Al Czervik 05-27-2019 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by HalinTexas (Post 2825021)
The B737 is NOT a great ———- airplane, but you go with what you got.

FIFY........

305808 06-01-2019 04:35 PM

HAL finally does. Took us a decade to get a working tablet. I’m assuming that was our hold up, but I had nothing to do with the approval.


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