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prspilot 09-16-2019 07:34 AM

Partly true
 

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 2888072)
As I’ve gotten older(closer to retirement), pay and retirement planning has become the primary deciding factor in my career choices. All things being equal, SWA falls behind the others for retirement, IMO. That’s why there are current junior pilots here still applying at and leaving for the other majors.

So I’ll correct one thing, it’s not just younger pilots.

I will say I knew SWA paid well but less than Delta, AA, and United. The reason I came here was no PBS, ability to work the scheduling, and the company’s stability/culture. I do hope they tackle compensation well in 2020 negotiations.

SlipKid 09-16-2019 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by YANXJTPilot (Post 2887792)
Maybe, but there are plenty non-young pilots at XJT.

Many are in the 'How much money do I really need?' category so pay isn't everything.

They'd fit in perfectly here. Most of our pilots feel the same way. :confused:

Proximity 09-17-2019 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by prspilot (Post 2888146)
I will say I knew SWA paid well but less than Delta, AA, and United. The reason I came here was no PBS, ability to work the scheduling, and the company’s stability/culture. I do hope they tackle compensation well in 2020 negotiations.

What should give job seekers pause is how SWA is handling the MAX debacle.

Used to be at Southwest you'd fly more per day then a legacy, but get more days off. Then you could fly a couple days extra and make over what a legacy pilot makes, even though our rates are slightly lower.

However, now there isn't much flying, the company has chosen to spread this flying over the same amount of days creating many more rigged days. These rigged days make you an "online reserve". It would have cost the same (in the planning phase) to build more efficient schedules with more days off, but then they would have to offer more open time instead of just rerouting line holders.

So now we are like a legacy with lower pay, worse retirement, no protections for line holders, and worse travel/LTD/STD benefits.

flyguy81 09-17-2019 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Proximity (Post 2888626)
What should give job seekers pause is how SWA is handling the MAX debacle.

Used to be at Southwest you'd fly more per day then a legacy, but get more days off. Then you could fly a couple days extra and make over what a legacy pilot makes, even though our rates are slightly lower.

However, now there isn't much flying, the company has chosen to spread this flying over the same amount of days creating many more rigged days. These rigged days make you an "online reserve". It would have cost the same (in the planning phase) to build more efficient schedules with more days off, but then they would have to offer more open time instead of just rerouting line holders.

So now we are like a legacy with lower pay, worse retirement, no protections for line holders, and worse travel/LTD/STD benefits.

And as soon as the MAX is back flying we will have 70 airplanes dumped in the system. And everything will be status quo.

SlipKid 09-17-2019 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Proximity (Post 2888626)

So now we are like a legacy with lower pay, worse retirement, no protections for line holders, and worse travel/LTD/STD benefits.

So, basically, nothing's changed, except we can't as easily work more to make more as we could prior to 2018. ;)

WHACKMASTER 09-17-2019 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 2888646)
And as soon as the MAX is back flying we will have 70 airplanes dumped in the system. And everything will be status quo.

Bologna. We were overstaffed even before the MAX got grounded with 34 aircraft on property.

They’d better have something up their sleeve like an acquisition, large MAX canceled order by another airline(s), or new fleet type to account for all this hiring.

The lines and trip quality are utter garbage and this damn well better not be the wave of the future. Also, Crew Scheduling and Crew Planning’s “ways” and philosophy on how to build and manage our schedules has been exposed throughout this fiasco and it isn’t pretty. There’s some pretty sneaky s..t that they’re pulling.

Even when the MAXes get cleared to fly again it could will take 1-2 months to bring all 70-75 back and let’s not forget that numerous NGs had delayed heavy maintenance (as told to me by MX) to keep them flying during the grounding.

So in essence we’ll most likely still be overstaffed once the MAXes return. All they’ve done is screw themselves in the long run because I’m now out for blood with contract 2020 and so many others feel the same way. If they want to schedule us like legacies do with their narrowbody flying then I want a DRASTIC pay rate increase to make up for the inefficiency, plus better rigs and pay protections.

Eff them. They’ve shown their cards and the hand that I now see has me expecting way more out of the next contract than six months before. Some heads really need to roll down in crew planning and scheduling in Dallas.

WHACKMASTER 09-17-2019 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by SlipKid (Post 2888657)
So, basically, nothing's changed, except we can't as easily work more to make more as we could prior to 2018. ;)

No, we’ve also got utter garbage trips that are part of our original line award that we can’t swap out of into a more productive one because all the trips are garbage.

I don’t want to work more days but I damn well want to WORK when I’m at work and make some coin......not this 19.5 TFP three-day bull.....

RJSAviator76 09-17-2019 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2888692)
All they’ve done is screw themselves in the long run because I’m now out for blood with contract 2020 and so many others feel the same way. If they want to schedule us like legacies do with their narrowbody flying then I want a DRASTIC pay rate increase to make up for the inefficiency, plus better rigs and pay protections.

Eff them. They’ve shown their cards and the hand that I now see has me expecting way more out of the next contract than six months before.

^^^^ Yessir!

SlipKid 09-17-2019 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 2888695)
No, we’ve also got utter garbage trips that are part of our original line award that we can’t swap out of into a more productive one because all the trips are garbage.

I don’t want to work more days but I damn well want to WORK when I’m at work and make some coin......not this 19.5 TFP three-day bull.....

I was talking about when the max comes back. While there was very little premium, even MCO Capt. ELITT wasn't completely cleaned out in under 15 minutes on the 25th prior to the max nonsense.

What about all those awesome reroutes that are "the new premium" (once you exceed the rig) that I keep hearing about?

I've heard that reserve is a pretty good deal these days too. ;)

WHACKMASTER 09-17-2019 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by SlipKid (Post 2888748)
I was talking about when the max comes back. While there was very little premium, even MCO Capt. ELITT wasn't completely cleaned out in under 15 minutes on the 25th prior to the max nonsense.

What about all those awesome reroutes that are "the new premium" (once you exceed the rig) that I keep hearing about?

I've heard that reserve is a pretty good deal these days too. ;)

I’m sure it is.....for those of us that can sit it from home.


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