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GeeWizDriver 08-24-2019 04:16 PM

Backlash Much?
 
This was a retarded decision by SWA management....

Can't see this one lasting very long:

https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/...hoo&yptr=yahoo

ShooterMcGavin 08-24-2019 04:21 PM

“Representing the brand”. Sounds very DL like

symbian simian 08-24-2019 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by ShooterMcGavin (Post 2875715)
“Representing the brand”. Sounds very DL like

Yeah, breast cancer pink uniforms are approved at DL.

Rolf 08-24-2019 06:00 PM

The corporate identity switch with delta is almost complete. We will be instructed in the finer points of van command and the deltoids will receive a pamphlet on how to descend at 261kts to 10k, then fly 290 to the marker to beat SWA.

Thruster 08-24-2019 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 2875780)
The corporate identity switch with delta is almost complete. We will be instructed in the finer points of van command and the deltoids will receive a pamphlet on how to descend at 261kts to 10k, then fly 290 to the marker to beat SWA.

Only those who have attended Van Command and Staff College can truly appreciate the burden of Van Admiralty

PowerShift 08-24-2019 10:05 PM

“Who Does Not Want To Wear The Ribbon”?

For you Seinfeld fans!

WHACKMASTER 08-25-2019 03:56 AM

Yawn.....slow news day I guess. Who cares....

captjns 08-25-2019 04:03 AM

Its not religious paraphernalia. It’s a pin that brings the importance to a devastating disease. Every Southwest employee should call for the brown noser, miscreantic Einstein, who ordered this prohibition company policy be terminated with immediate effect!

Liberty 08-25-2019 04:55 AM

Sorry to interrupt the fake news ..pins, ribbons, and 5k run t-shirts are not curing cancer. Equally silly is the idea that it's bringing attention to it. Every person knows someone devastated with cancer. Nobody needs to see a fat man in a pink tie to be reminded it exists. The company stance is irrelevant to me. What would really matter is that we see an Elon Musk type making a life pursuit to identify causes and cures. Or maybe a govt that stopped the climate change so let's go to Mars nonsense and rallied around curing current diseases. You know, like generations before us did... when men were laboring in the sciences, in pursuit of cures that actually help people, instead of modern men who are satisfied with wearing accesories that match their wife's lipstick... truly believing they are doing something. And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming....

Peacock 08-25-2019 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Liberty (Post 2875986)
Sorry to interrupt the fake news ..pins, ribbons, and 5k run t-shirts are not curing cancer. Equally silly is the idea that it's bringing attention to it. Every person knows someone devastated with cancer. Nobody needs to see a fat man in a pink tie to be reminded it exists. The company stance is irrelevant to me. What would really matter is that we see an Elon Musk type making a life pursuit to identify causes and cures. Or maybe a govt that stopped the climate change so let's go to Mars nonsense and rallied around curing current diseases. You know, like generations before us did... when men were laboring in the sciences, in pursuit of cures that actually help people, instead of modern men who are satisfied with wearing accesories that match their wife's lipstick... truly believing they are doing something. And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming....

Yes.

We are all aware of breast cancer. Wearing pink doesn’t do anything. Stop the fake outrage.

full of luv 08-25-2019 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 2875780)
The corporate identity switch with delta is almost complete. We will be instructed in the finer points of van command and the deltoids will receive a pamphlet on how to descend at 261kts to 10k, then fly 290 to the marker to beat SWA.

Ironically, despite y'alls Delta rants, Delta actually promotes the shietz out of Breast Cancer Research Fund during the awareness month of October. FA's even get pink bling from flight ops to wear and they ask pax for donations during that month. They promote pink drinks for sale as donations etc etc.....

So perhaps SWA mgmt is outlawing BCRF bling in an effort to make sure they are not the same as Delta....

saturn 08-25-2019 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by Peacock (Post 2876085)
Yes.

We are all aware of breast cancer. Wearing pink doesn’t do anything. Stop the fake outrage.

Curing diseases comes about through scientific research. That research is very expensive, and needs funding in order to happen. Private enterprises don't invest in research unless they can with surety ramp it up to sell as a commodity at a solid profit. Awareness campaigns help grease the private donation efforts which fund critical research.
At DL, sales of pink ties for pilots goes to charity, for-sale Pink Lemonade all goes to charity, amongst other efforts. Stop your own fake outrage.

Peacock 08-25-2019 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by saturn (Post 2876263)
Curing diseases comes about through scientific research. That research is very expensive, and needs funding in order to happen. Private enterprises don't invest in research unless they can with surety ramp it up to sell as a commodity at a solid profit. Awareness campaigns help grease the private donation efforts which fund critical research.
At DL, sales of pink ties for pilots goes to charity, for-sale Pink Lemonade all goes to charity, amongst other efforts. Stop your own fake outrage.

Breast cancer research consumes vastly more money than other (often more lethal) types of cancer.

Fewer people die of breast cancer than liver cancer, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, and way, way less than lung cancer. Yet a disproportionate amount of funding goes to breast cancer. The American Cancer Society lists double the number of grants for breast cancer than for any other cancer.

What we need though is more pink ties. Good thinking.

Excargodog 08-25-2019 12:40 PM

There is a reason it is called a uniform.

:rolleyes:

WHACKMASTER 08-25-2019 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Peacock (Post 2876085)
Yes.

We are all aware of breast cancer. Wearing pink doesn’t do anything. Stop the fake outrage.

Amen. So pathetic.

symbian simian 08-25-2019 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Peacock (Post 2876273)
Breast cancer research consumes vastly more money than other (often more lethal) types of cancer.

Fewer people die of breast cancer than liver cancer, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, and way, way less than lung cancer. Yet a disproportionate amount of funding goes to breast cancer. The American Cancer Society lists double the number of grants for breast cancer than for any other cancer.

What we need though is more pink ties. Good thinking.

I would be more than happy to wear the yellow tie for liver, orange for stomach, brown tie for colorectal, black for lung if it raises money for research. Pink raises money, and until you can show me it comes at the expense of the other research, have a seat and pipe down.

Peacock 08-25-2019 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2876341)
I would be more than happy to wear the yellow tie for liver, orange for stomach, brown tie for colorectal, black for lung if it raises money for research. Pink raises money, and until you can show me it comes at the expense of the other research, have a seat and pipe down.

You know what comes at the expense of fundraising? Buying pink crap so a portion of the proceeds go to a cause. Just give to the cause. No one is stopping you. Everyone is very aware of breast cancer.

Or wear as much pink crap as you want. I don’t care. Just don’t cry about not getting to accessorize in uniform.

symbian simian 08-25-2019 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Peacock (Post 2876361)
You know what comes at the expense of fundraising? Buying pink crap so a portion of the proceeds go to a cause. Just give to the cause. No one is stopping you. Everyone is very aware of breast cancer.

Or wear as much pink crap as you want. I don’t care. Just don’t cry about not getting to accessorize in uniform.

The people buying the pink tie are not the target, they are trying to get other people to donate. Do charities give 100% of their income away? no, but it is probably more than you and I give.

captjns 08-25-2019 02:27 PM

Cure for Breast Cancer
 
Buying a pink tie, pink lemonade, pink ribbon, where proceeds go for research is being part of the solution.

Bit#hing about buying the pink tie, pink lemonade, or pink ribbon is being part of the problem.

Zard 08-25-2019 02:57 PM

The pink tie proceeds went to the SWAPA relief fund for pilots directly affected by cancer. Buying one was putting money forth directly to help out brothers and sisters on the line going through tough times and ya get to wear a better looking tie than any of the other options we’ve got.

Those of you calling it a uniform don’t seem to have a problem with the adopt a pilot ties, holiday ties, or flag ties.

I’m fine with this so long as next June, the Southwest twitterverse and Facebook page isn’t covered in rainbows.

GeeWizDriver 08-25-2019 04:11 PM

It appears some of y'all missed my point.

The point was that the OPTICS ARE BAD and may hurt Southwest's business image a WHOLE LOT MORE than a lack uniformity in the, you know, uniform.

We all understand how the Social Justice Warriors operate. They will see this as a "degradation" of those affected (primarily women) and will call for protests, boycotts, and Facebook campaigns because Southwest's sexist management obviously wants women to DIE of this dreaded disease...:rolleyes:

It is just a stupid BUSINESS decision. Don't mess with a socially popular "education and awareness" campaign regardless of how effective it may or may not be.

Skyward 08-26-2019 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Zard (Post 2876394)
The pink tie proceeds went to the SWAPA relief fund for pilots directly affected by cancer. Buying one was putting money forth directly to help out brothers and sisters on the line going through tough times and ya get to wear a better looking tie than any of the other options we’ve got.

Those of you calling it a uniform don’t seem to have a problem with the adopt a pilot ties, holiday ties, or flag ties.

I’m fine with this so long as next June, the Southwest twitterverse and Facebook page isn’t covered in rainbows.

I was thinking the same thing

FLYBOYMATTHEW 08-30-2019 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver (Post 2875709)
This was a retarded decision by SWA management....

Can't see this one lasting very long:

https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/...hoo&yptr=yahoo

Concerned about the optics of prohibiting pink flair, uses the word "retarded" in the 21st century.

Slaphappy 08-31-2019 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2876364)
The people buying the pink tie are not the target, they are trying to get other people to donate. Do charities give 100% of their income away? no, but it is probably more than you and I give.

I'm less likley to donate to a cause everyone else is pimping with pins, ties and all other kind of flashy nonsense.

This nonsense only happens in America because this country is always about "showing off" and being "Special".

WHACKMASTER 08-31-2019 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 2879732)
I'm less likley to donate to a cause everyone else is pimping with pins, ties and all other kind of flashy nonsense.

This nonsense only happens in America because this country is always about "showing off" and being "Special".

Bingo. I repeat....BINGO!

tm602 08-31-2019 10:15 PM

This is sure to draw fire but I just don’t care. Every time I see some lemming with the pink crap I get ****ed. My grandfather died of colon cancer. My dad died of colon cancer. And now I’m losing my sister to brain cancer. What makes breast cancer (which has a comparatively low death rate) so special?

pugpilot 09-01-2019 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by tm602 (Post 2879824)
This is sure to draw fire but I just don’t care. Every time I see some lemming with the pink crap I get ****ed. My grandfather died of colon cancer. My dad died of colon cancer. And now I’m losing my sister to brain cancer. What makes breast cancer (which has a comparatively low death rate) so special?

*purely speculative*
maybe because it is traumatic (even when not life threatening) to some women as a loss of their "womanhood" when they get double mastectomies and that 1 out of 8 women get breast cancer at some point.
If you gave me the option of skin cancer with a survivability of 90% and penis cancer with a survivability of 99%.......I think I'd choose the skin cancer and be thrilled that my penis wasn't being removed.

Wilfortina 09-01-2019 08:38 AM

This thread got a bit weird

ItnStln 09-01-2019 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by tm602 (Post 2879824)
This is sure to draw fire but I just don’t care. Every time I see some lemming with the pink crap I get ****ed. My grandfather died of colon cancer. My dad died of colon cancer. And now I’m losing my sister to brain cancer. What makes breast cancer (which has a comparatively low death rate) so special?

That’s a valid point.

DYNASTY HVY 09-01-2019 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2879484)
Concerned about the optics of prohibiting pink flair, uses the word "retarded" in the 21st century.

Shack!! +1

symbian simian 09-01-2019 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 2879484)
Concerned about the optics of prohibiting pink flair, uses the word "retarded" in the 21st century.

What do you mean? I hear it three times every time I flare.

Grumpyaviator 09-03-2019 12:09 PM

It’s really about not offending someone who isn’t one thing or another by recognizing someone who is.

We’ve gotten that thin-skinned.

Slaphappy 09-04-2019 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2876374)
Buying a pink tie, pink lemonade, pink ribbon, where proceeds go for research is being part of the solution.

Bit#hing about buying the pink tie, pink lemonade, or pink ribbon is being part of the problem.

Not when the "Susan G. Komen for the Cure" only spends 21% of their budget on research.

vessbot 09-04-2019 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by pugpilot (Post 2879903)
*purely speculative*
maybe because it is traumatic (even when not life threatening) to some women as a loss of their "womanhood" when they get double mastectomies and that 1 out of 8 women get breast cancer at some point.
If you gave me the option of skin cancer with a survivability of 90% and penis cancer with a survivability of 99%.......I think I'd choose the skin cancer and be thrilled that my penis wasn't being removed.

Even though I also get annoyed with the bandwagon-ish aspect of breast cancer stuff, I agree with this post.

PowerShift 09-04-2019 11:34 AM

Almost EVERY man will get prostate cancer. But who cares about that!

rightseat 09-04-2019 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 2881360)
Not when the "Susan G. Komen for the Cure" only spends 21% of their budget on research.

And gives SIZEABLE amount of money to Planned Parenthood. Never understood that. Komen works so hard to raise money and then, gives it to Planned Parenthood.

symbian simian 09-04-2019 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by rightseat (Post 2881433)
And gives SIZEABLE amount of money to Planned Parenthood. Never understood that. Komen works so hard to raise money and then, gives it to Planned Parenthood.

Maybe because PP does more than just abortion?

Abortions make up 3.4 percent of the services Planned Parenthood performs, an increase from 3 percent the previous year. Testing for sexually transmitted diseases comprises the largest share of Planned Parenthood services, at 48.7 percent, and next is contraception at 27.1 percent. An additional 6.3 percent of medical services performed are cancer screenings and prevention, a drop from 7 percent during the previous fiscal year. In all, Planned Parenthood saw 2.4 million patients across the U.S.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/planned-parenthood-reports-performing-more-abortions-332-757-in-latest-year

rightseat 09-04-2019 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2881512)
Maybe because PP does more than just abortion?

Abortions make up 3.4 percent of the services Planned Parenthood performs, an increase from 3 percent the previous year. Testing for sexually transmitted diseases comprises the largest share of Planned Parenthood services, at 48.7 percent, and next is contraception at 27.1 percent. An additional 6.3 percent of medical services performed are cancer screenings and prevention, a drop from 7 percent during the previous fiscal year. In all, Planned Parenthood saw 2.4 million patients across the U.S.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/planned-parenthood-reports-performing-more-abortions-332-757-in-latest-year

The fact that they performed abortion is irrelevant to my point. I do not understand donating to one cause to have them donate to another. I want to know what my charitable giving is going toward. I would feel the same way if they gave money to the spotted owls society (although that probably would not make the news).

Zard 09-04-2019 07:38 PM

Money raised by the pink ties didn’t go to the Komen foundation.

It went to our pilot relief fund.

tm602 09-04-2019 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2881512)
Maybe because PP does more than just abortion?

Abortions make up 3.4 percent of the services Planned Parenthood performs, an increase from 3 percent the previous year. Testing for sexually transmitted diseases comprises the largest share of Planned Parenthood services, at 48.7 percent, and next is contraception at 27.1 percent. An additional 6.3 percent of medical services performed are cancer screenings and prevention, a drop from 7 percent during the previous fiscal year. In all, Planned Parenthood saw 2.4 million patients across the U.S.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...in-latest-year

You make it sound so insignificant, that 3.4%. But there is nothing insignificant about 327,653 abortions per year. That is a costly procedure and makes up a lot more than 3.4 percent of their budget. A lot more. Its on their own website, see it for yourself.


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