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Harvey 10-04-2020 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by FlyPKP (Post 3139812)
I wonder if it was kind of like Gary's video message, more directed at DC for help than anything else.

I agree, there wasn’t any new information in this email, This seems like it was intended for DC rather than the pilot group. Nobody should be surprised that we can’t continue to lose $17M/day without furloughs on the horizon.

PowerShift 10-04-2020 12:34 PM

I agree, most of the communications are directed at posturing for DC. Everything said or calculated today before the election is worthless. Congress on both sides are holding funding hostage. The hopes are in a “in the black” summer 2021 and we need pilots for that. SWA wants to be Johnny on the spot when travel demand increases and pick up market share along the way “low hanging abandoned fruit”. They can’t do that if they furlough to profitability.

They have an abundance of cash compared to the competition, but they will not burn through it until it’s gone, just to turn the lights off when they close the doors. So, what do you do?

Getting Bail out money let’s SWA keep their own money, and buys us 6 mo of wait and see.

Without the bail out money, SWA will burn through some of their money for the wait and see, but for how long, only Gary and CO know. My guess will be until March/April. They will know the summer bookings by then.

Harvey 10-04-2020 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by PowerShift (Post 3140185)
I agree, most of the communications are directed at posturing for DC. Everything said or calculated today before the election is worthless. Congress on both sides are holding funding hostage. The hopes are in a “in the black” summer 2021 and we need pilots for that. SWA wants to be Johnny on the spot when travel demand increases and pick up market share along the way “low hanging abandoned fruit”. They can’t do that if they furlough to profitability.

They have an abundance of cash compared to the competition, but they will not burn through it until it’s gone, just to turn the lights off when they close the doors. So, what do you do?

Getting Bail out money let’s SWA keep their own money, and buys us 6 mo of wait and see.

Without the bail out money, SWA will burn through some of their money for the wait and see, but for how long, only Gary and CO know. My guess will be until March/April. They will know the summer bookings by then.

I think your timeline sounds about right. We get to April and the election is behind us, hopefully a full quarter of vaccine distribution and summer numbers will start to solidify.
Hopefully this spring, the industry will be able to make real projections about how big demand will be going forward. I doubt it can happen any earlier.

ConnectionPilot 10-04-2020 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Mozam (Post 3139931)
I will take that bet, I say you will be here through all of 2021.

I like your optimism. Remember we don’t have to get to net zero to save jobs. We just have to get somewhere that doesn’t burn $17 mil a day. We need a PSP and a vaccine, oh and the media to shut up about it. I’m not sure how much revenue new cities bring.

ZapBrannigan 10-04-2020 02:39 PM

Well now the Senate goes home for the next 2 weeks to hide from Covid, so it’ll be weeks before PSP if it happens at all. American said if they didn’t have it by the 4th they would have to go ahead with the furloughs - irreversible.

Why either side would want to risk tens of thousands of job losses 30 days before an election is beyond me. ESPECIALLY Rick Scott with domiciles in MIA, FLL, and MCO. What a clown show.

Meanwhile back at the SWAPA forum the usual cast of malcontents doesn't want their cheese moved. They don’t want to even entertain the idea of helping the company out to prevent furloughs. Why should they? THEIR jobs aren’t in immediate jeopardy.

flyguy81 10-04-2020 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3140256)
Well now the Senate goes home for the next 2 weeks to hide from Covid, so it’ll be weeks before PSP if it happens at all. American said if they didn’t have it by the 4th they would have to go ahead with the furloughs - irreversible.

Why either side would want to risk tens of thousands of job losses 30 days before an election is beyond me. ESPECIALLY Rick Scott with domiciles in MIA, FLL, and MCO. What a clown show.

Meanwhile back at the SWAPA forum the usual cast of malcontents doesn't want their cheese moved. They don’t want to even entertain the idea of helping the company out to prevent furloughs. Why should they? THEIR jobs aren’t in immediate jeopardy.

Nobody’s asked for concessions. Why the hell anyone would entertain something nobody has asked for is idiotic.

Right now the only thing anyone is asking is to take ETO if you’re able and willing. Beyond that, I won’t even talk about what I would or won’t do. Neither should you or anyone else.

Squallrider 10-04-2020 03:54 PM

GK also said he can’t cut routes any further so idk how that translates to furloughs since the green bars are quite a bit lower now on most lines

Liberty 10-04-2020 07:57 PM

On the bright side, looks like up-close parking will continue for a while! 😁👍

Redchevron 10-05-2020 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Liberty (Post 3140384)
On the bright side, looks like up-close parking will continue for a while! 😁👍

And hotel food prepared and cooked by the executive chef himself. :D

Labatt 10-05-2020 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Redchevron (Post 3140525)
And hotel food prepared and cooked by the executive chef himself. :D

And if you are at the Hyatt Place he is also the van diver, desk clerk and security guard!


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