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They may have sweetened the pot since you last interviewed.
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I interviewed at the beginning of the month, haven't heard back. My application is still open. But hey, I'll take what I can get! If I get the job I'll be commuting, so not paying out of pocket for a hotel is $$$$.
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FCTI training details
Originally Posted by mulcher
(Post 3318693)
It is a 3 year commitment before you can apply for a pilot position. Seniority is everything. Every class can make a difference. If you want to make a move apply now. Get hired then decide.
Can recent hires share their experiences as it relates to: How the FCTI training is done? duration? sequence and how easy or difficult it is to complete the training and start as an instructor? Thankx |
You’d need your head examined to even consider this job. They are hiring new instructors as fast as they can get them even at that rate almost 1/2 quit before completing training once they see the reality of the job.
If you have any dreams of moving to the line it is actually harder to get hired as an instructor because they can’t afford to let you go. If you have a medical this job is a career ENDER!! I’m sure in the interviews they are touting how many instructors they’ve recently hire as FO’s. What they won’t say is those instructors were giving seniority numbers but won’t be allowed a class date for nearly 6 months maybe longer if they don’t stop bleeding instructors. What that means is they effectively take a pay cut because now they are paid under SWAPAs CBA but they can’t fly. That leaves them at training pay until they get a class and finish IOE. Because SWAPAs CBA doesn’t cover that class and craft they are essentially on their own with no support. Many have already accepted class dates at other carriers. This is just one example of SWA warrior spirit at work within the their leadership ranks. Screw over whoever you have to to make yourself look good. SWA has some incredible Chief pilots and they have done a tremendous job insulating line pilots from the idiocracy that is HDQ. The reality is SWa doesn’t have 16B they have somewhere in the neighborhood of $4B. Yes that’s better on paper than the rest but what that doesn’t account for is the technology debt, infrastructure, real estate, rewards program equity amongst other assets. The company leadership has run the airlines like a mom and pop shop and failed to invest in any infrastructure. They doubled down on the MAX not because it was the right choice but because it was the ONLY choice. There simply was no way the company could operate a different airframe without buying an entire airline with scheduling software , maintenance software and hardware, training, actually writing an FOM and AOM that don’t rely on RBFs 3 times a week and a host of other issue “under the wing”. As for commuting to be an instructor? 1. Read the contract. 2. Talk to someone that works there. 3. Kiss your QOL goodbye. I told you some just doesn’t quite some it up. Probably the best way to sum up what you can expect working as an instructor for SWA is in the past year over 18 SWA employees have left for FSI or CAE. That should speak volumes. |
As someone considering an instructor position I am curious about your reply. Are you or have you worked in the training department? As a non-commuting, non right seat seeking instructor what is going to make me want to quit during training?
Just looking for info before I make the jump. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Lonestarcaptain
(Post 3344048)
You’d need your head examined to even consider this job. They are hiring new instructors as fast as they can get them even at that rate almost 1/2 quit before completing training once they see the reality of the job.
If you have any dreams of moving to the line it is actually harder to get hired as an instructor because they can’t afford to let you go. If you have a medical this job is a career ENDER!! I’m sure in the interviews they are touting how many instructors they’ve recently hire as FO’s. What they won’t say is those instructors were giving seniority numbers but won’t be allowed a class date for nearly 6 months maybe longer if they don’t stop bleeding instructors. What that means is they effectively take a pay cut because now they are paid under SWAPAs CBA but they can’t fly. That leaves them at training pay until they get a class and finish IOE. Because SWAPAs CBA doesn’t cover that class and craft they are essentially on their own with no support. Many have already accepted class dates at other carriers. This is just one example of SWA warrior spirit at work within the their leadership ranks. Screw over whoever you have to to make yourself look good. SWA has some incredible Chief pilots and they have done a tremendous job insulating line pilots from the idiocracy that is HDQ. The reality is SWa doesn’t have 16B they have somewhere in the neighborhood of $4B. Yes that’s better on paper than the rest but what that doesn’t account for is the technology debt, infrastructure, real estate, rewards program equity amongst other assets. The company leadership has run the airlines like a mom and pop shop and failed to invest in any infrastructure. They doubled down on the MAX not because it was the right choice but because it was the ONLY choice. There simply was no way the company could operate a different airframe without buying an entire airline with scheduling software , maintenance software and hardware, training, actually writing an FOM and AOM that don’t rely on RBFs 3 times a week and a host of other issue “under the wing”. As for commuting to be an instructor? 1. Read the contract. 2. Talk to someone that works there. 3. Kiss your QOL goodbye. I told you some just doesn’t quite some it up. Probably the best way to sum up what you can expect working as an instructor for SWA is in the past year over 18 SWA employees have left for FSI or CAE. That should speak volumes. This post should be stickied and be required reading for any applicant to a flight ops position at SWA. Well said. You get what you pay for. Eventually, the only instructors left at swa are going to be the cast offs that can't get hired anywhere else unless the company comes hat in hand to both the sim instructors union and SWAPA and works out a deal. |
Originally Posted by Lonestarcaptain
(Post 3344048)
You’d need your head examined to even consider this job. They are hiring new instructors as fast as they can get them even at that rate almost 1/2 quit before completing training once they see the reality of the job.
If you have any dreams of moving to the line it is actually harder to get hired as an instructor because they can’t afford to let you go. If you have a medical this job is a career ENDER!! I’m sure in the interviews they are touting how many instructors they’ve recently hire as FO’s. What they won’t say is those instructors were giving seniority numbers but won’t be allowed a class date for nearly 6 months maybe longer if they don’t stop bleeding instructors. What that means is they effectively take a pay cut because now they are paid under SWAPAs CBA but they can’t fly. That leaves them at training pay until they get a class and finish IOE. Because SWAPAs CBA doesn’t cover that class and craft they are essentially on their own with no support. Many have already accepted class dates at other carriers. This is just one example of SWA warrior spirit at work within the their leadership ranks. Screw over whoever you have to to make yourself look good. SWA has some incredible Chief pilots and they have done a tremendous job insulating line pilots from the idiocracy that is HDQ. The reality is SWa doesn’t have 16B they have somewhere in the neighborhood of $4B. Yes that’s better on paper than the rest but what that doesn’t account for is the technology debt, infrastructure, real estate, rewards program equity amongst other assets. The company leadership has run the airlines like a mom and pop shop and failed to invest in any infrastructure. They doubled down on the MAX not because it was the right choice but because it was the ONLY choice. There simply was no way the company could operate a different airframe without buying an entire airline with scheduling software , maintenance software and hardware, training, actually writing an FOM and AOM that don’t rely on RBFs 3 times a week and a host of other issue “under the wing”. As for commuting to be an instructor? 1. Read the contract. 2. Talk to someone that works there. 3. Kiss your QOL goodbye. I told you some just doesn’t quite some it up. Probably the best way to sum up what you can expect working as an instructor for SWA is in the past year over 18 SWA employees have left for FSI or CAE. That should speak volumes. The depth of their ineptitude seems to know no bounds. It's like nobody has any clue what's going on in the industry as a whole, and even fewer clues the alarmingly uncompetitive position they're putting us in. |
Originally Posted by waterskisabersw
(Post 3344495)
I think it's pretty telling to have all these posts coming out like this one. Full disclosure, one of "these posts coming out like this one" was from me, but I find it fascinating to hear that it's not just line pilots who are receiving the brunt of the insanity of flight ops hiring right now.
The depth of their ineptitude seems to know no bounds. It's like nobody has any clue what's going on in the industry as a whole, and even fewer clues the alarmingly uncomotetitive position they're putting us in. this is perfect. We are going to throw some deck parties and celebrate our 50th anniversary while everyone else is buying airplanes, hiring pilots, and aggressively going after market share. Neat. |
Originally Posted by Lonestarcaptain
(Post 3344048)
You’d need your head examined to even consider this job. They are hiring new instructors as fast as they can get them even at that rate almost 1/2 quit before completing training once they see the reality of the job.
If you have any dreams of moving to the line it is actually harder to get hired as an instructor because they can’t afford to let you go. If you have a medical this job is a career ENDER!! I’m sure in the interviews they are touting how many instructors they’ve recently hire as FO’s. What they won’t say is those instructors were giving seniority numbers but won’t be allowed a class date for nearly 6 months maybe longer if they don’t stop bleeding instructors. What that means is they effectively take a pay cut because now they are paid under SWAPAs CBA but they can’t fly. That leaves them at training pay until they get a class and finish IOE. Because SWAPAs CBA doesn’t cover that class and craft they are essentially on their own with no support. Many have already accepted class dates at other carriers. This is just one example of SWA warrior spirit at work within the their leadership ranks. Screw over whoever you have to to make yourself look good. SWA has some incredible Chief pilots and they have done a tremendous job insulating line pilots from the idiocracy that is HDQ. The reality is SWa doesn’t have 16B they have somewhere in the neighborhood of $4B. Yes that’s better on paper than the rest but what that doesn’t account for is the technology debt, infrastructure, real estate, rewards program equity amongst other assets. The company leadership has run the airlines like a mom and pop shop and failed to invest in any infrastructure. They doubled down on the MAX not because it was the right choice but because it was the ONLY choice. There simply was no way the company could operate a different airframe without buying an entire airline with scheduling software , maintenance software and hardware, training, actually writing an FOM and AOM that don’t rely on RBFs 3 times a week and a host of other issue “under the wing”. As for commuting to be an instructor? 1. Read the contract. 2. Talk to someone that works there. 3. Kiss your QOL goodbye. I told you some just doesn’t quite some it up. Probably the best way to sum up what you can expect working as an instructor for SWA is in the past year over 18 SWA employees have left for FSI or CAE. That should speak volumes. |
Originally Posted by Lonestarcaptain
(Post 3344048)
You’d need your head examined to even consider this job.
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