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Originally Posted by Mozam
(Post 3420715)
That is for sure . So far all the proposals from the company are pay cuts, and now they want to take away everyone’s earned sick bank. We will be lucky to get a new contract with only a 30 percent pay cut .
I WILL STRIKE! They can’t not release us forever. This is going to be a years long slog but we must have this kind of mentality and the Kompany must know that we’re serious about it. |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 3420721)
Say it with me:
I WILL STRIKE! They can’t not release us forever. This is going to be a years long slog but we must have this kind of mentality and the Kompany must know that we’re serious about it. Agreed! Would click like if I could |
I’m not going backwards in anything. Are you kidding? Here’s a negotiating point—drop the SWA labor negotiator for one. Any time as a previous SWAPA president should make it a conflict of interest.
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Does anyone know if the new deal includes commuter hotels in DAL? Not gunna bother if I don’t have anywhere to live while there 75% of the month lol
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I believe it includes positive space to work and DAL hotel. Verify, but this is what I was told to me by a retiring Captain that was cold called and offered the job. Also keep your sick bank.
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Originally Posted by waterskisabersw
(Post 3420505)
Because they're not signing for $2B in liability every time they step into the sim, risking possible death, and aren't responsible for the lives of 181 people? Because they're not working 16 hour duty days (they're limited to 7)? Because they're not gone half the month, unless they commute, which is DEFINITELY a choice in the circumstance? Because they are quite possibly NOT qualified to fly the airplane (a medical certificate is by definition a qualification, which is also part of why our compensation package is what it is)?
And before you say it's harder than a typical flight, I've been a sim instructor, and under cqt it is definitely MORE work than a regular flight, it is not harder, as it's all scripted out. Also, before you say that they're responsible for the person and anything they ever do, that responsibility falls on the APD/check airman. |
FAA, when they are all topped out, and sim techs make more than FCTIs. Dispatchers are indexed to CA pay.
You may sign for it, but no one is going to sue you when you screw up. Your union will most likely save your career any way. SWA management is bringing line guys back to teach in some devices. They are getting quite a bit more than the FCTIs. Check airman that do MOs get paid 5 times what an FCTI does for the same event. Both are Check A qual'd with the same training. If you really want to see what to ***** about, at AAL "X Checkers" are supposed to do the seat support for qual events (LOE), but the Co is trying to get line guys in to do because they are so short. Any line qual'd guy can sit seat support at SWA. Easiest gig at the company. FCTIs cannot for "jeopardy" events. |
Anyone know if this interview is similar to a pilot interview?
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Originally Posted by waterskisabersw
(Post 3420505)
Because they're not signing for $2B in liability every time they step into the sim, risking possible death, and aren't responsible for the lives of 181 people? Because they're not working 16 hour duty days (they're limited to 7)? Because they're not gone half the month, unless they commute, which is DEFINITELY a choice in the circumstance? Because they are quite possibly NOT qualified to fly the airplane (a medical certificate is by definition a qualification, which is also part of why our compensation package is what it is)?
And before you say it's harder than a typical flight, I've been a sim instructor, and under cqt it is definitely MORE work than a regular flight, it is not harder, as it's all scripted out. Also, before you say that they're responsible for the person and anything they ever do, that responsibility falls on the APD/check airman. You get what you pay for and a smart pilot group would want nothing but the best in their training. And yeah there’s a lot more experience in the instructors group at southwest airline that they could find in junior FOs, because let’s face it if the company is going to use FOs the majority of them will be at the lower end of the list or somebody’s Air Force buddy. That assuming they get SWAPA to accept the idea of Check FOs. You’ll need a check airman letter to do MOs LOEs EET or Max and who knows what else down the line. I’d guess about 1/5 of the SWA instructors flew the line at SWA, a number retired as Standards Check Airmen. Probably another 1/5 retired from AAL UAL or DAL. Kind of a nice resource to pull from when you’re developing an ETOPs program from scratch. Out of somewhere around 150 instructors there may be 10-15 with no 737 time and most likely they had other Boeing or Airbus experience. I know of 2 instructors without a lot of Boeing/Airbus time or equivalent experience. One was a fantastic instructor the other was an Mx tech at UAL and knew the 737 inside and out. (Now that I think about it the problem instructor were the sub 5000 emp#’s, with 4 houses, a couple million in the bank and still had herbs home phone number memorized) Lastly the biggest issue with using line pilot for training is they teach you “how it’s done on line” not how the manual says to do it. That’s another debate in and of itself but for arguments sake let’s assume standardization is a highly desirable trait of airline training. You can’t do better than a dedicated training group. Don’t believe me to ask the next Check airman you run into. Compared to AAL or UAL SWA has the best instructors head and shoulders. The only people that stand to lose here are the pilots of SWA. |
Line guys or former line pilots would be a massive improvement. This setup should go away, I would absolutely prefer to have SWAPA pilots as instructors.I seem to wind up with a bunch of right seat RJ types or people who won’t shut up about the L1011 or 727.
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