Originally Posted by Lewbronski

This is a case study in why our contracts will always lag. Between this and Flyguy81's last post, it's got a little bit of nearly every form of rationalization for why we vote in lagging contract after lagging contract. I think he forgot to mention the idea of the squozen balloon, but aside from that, he laid it all out pretty well. And he wraps it all up in a bow with the perennial classic, "If you don't like it here, leave!"

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

I don't consider Spirit, Frontier and JetBlue to be at our level. The management may think so, and that's only because it's to their advantage.

Simple test - how many Southwest pilots left Southwest to start over on the bottom at any of those 3 airlines and how many pilots left those airlines to start on the bottom here? How many Southwest pilots have active applications at those 3 airlines, and how many pilots at those 3 airlines have active applications with us? Conversely, even though we have more people leaving Southwest to go to the big 3 legacies, for whatever reason, we also have some movement of people leaving those legacies to come here. How many people leave the legacies in their first few years to go start over at ULCC's? How many captains at ULCC's leave to start over at the big 3 legacies? Now, how many Southwest captains are leaving to start at the bottom at the Big 3 or ULLC's?

Originally Posted by Lewbronski

This is a case study in why our contracts will always lag. Between this and Flyguy81's last post, it's got a little bit of nearly every form of rationalization for why we vote in lagging contract after lagging contract. I think he forgot to mention the idea of the squozen balloon, but aside from that, he laid it all out pretty well. And he wraps it all up in a bow with the perennial classic, "If you don't like it here, leave!"

Originally Posted by flyguy81

carry on, miserable wretch. People like you love to throw out that FedEx has a 6 mo wait to be awarded CA and that they’re so fantastic with their A plan and WB rates and chocolate cake…and then ***** that you’re stuck here. You’re not. You can leave at any time. If you think people that are happy here are all losers who will vote for crap and you’ll never get what you want….then you’re setting yourself up to be a grumpy ass old man.

I’ve only been here for 1 contract cycle. I’d have voted no on TA1 had I been here in time to make the vote. So you’re full of **** thinking I or anyone else like me doesn’t know their worth.

When Casey, Hank and the others on the NC say there’s no more juice left to squeeze and any further delay would be cost negative…I believe them. #SS4M and all that.

Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

I think you are mistaken in many aspects.

I doubt Casey and this iteration of SWAPA will ask us to settle for anything less than industry standard career earning potential. You appear ready to quit early and settle for less, but I’m hopeful you won’t get the chance to.

It is also possible to be happy with the job, the people, the balance sheet, etc…..yet demand that the most productive pilot group be compensated accordingly. You should consider trying that.

Originally Posted by TexasFlight

Unless the SWA philosophy changes drastically under Bob Jordan, you can rest assured we are still years away from a ratifiable offer from the company.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

Why would it? Bob Jordan is old hat SWA. It’s gonna be the same old same old.

Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

I think you are mistaken in many aspects.

I doubt Casey and this iteration of SWAPA will ask us to settle for anything less than industry standard career earning potential. You appear ready to quit early and settle for less, but I’m hopeful you won’t get the chance to.

It is also possible to be happy with the job, the people, the balance sheet, etc…..yet demand that the most productive pilot group be compensated accordingly. You should consider trying that.