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WHACKMASTER 07-10-2022 08:41 AM

I wrote the SWAPA BOD yesterday about seeing what can be done regarding the scab in the MDW CP’s office negotiating against us while still staying on our seniority list.

Today I’ll be pressing for an answer as to why we’re not in mediation. I can see a delay because of Covid 🙄, but what excuse do we have now for not getting the mediation clock rolling?

Let’s roll!

Lewbronski 07-10-2022 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3458045)
I wrote the SWAPA BOD yesterday about seeing what can be done regarding the scab in the MDW CP’s office negotiating against us while still staying on our seniority list.

Today I’ll be pressing for an answer as to why we’re not in mediation. I can see a delay because of Covid 🙄, but what excuse do we have now for not getting the mediation clock rolling?

Let’s roll!

Yep. I agree. Covid can explain why it may have been reasonable to not file for mediation during the 6 to 12 months after negotiations started in March 2020. I get that.

But after that? That’s way more difficult to understand.

at6d 07-10-2022 10:15 AM

I’m guessing SWAPA figured they had it in the bag. The UAL TA and the AA deal show that the companies aren’t very scared. If a recession is coming, the airlines will continue to drag it out. We all know the big three hire until they fire—they don’t care. Seems like their execs talk to each other.

Mozam 07-10-2022 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3457923)
our pilot group had nothing to do with that decision, and I don’t know anyone who is OK with that. Sometimes the company propaganda machine steps on its own d*@k


Very true and makes me think of Mr ALPA ( Randy Babbit ) who WN management hire to take on SWAPA. Some in this world will do anything for a buck .

hoover 07-10-2022 01:05 PM

Weird thing I've been hearing lately from thosni fly with, and they think it's right, is that the retro wont be based off of a xx% raise right off the bat bit prorated based off of 2020, 2021, 2022 etc at a much much lower %.these guys are saying we should only expect retro off of 2% in 2022 and maybe 2-4% 2021 and maybe 5% 2022.
is this for real? Or are they trying to save the comapny?

Sqwk7700 07-10-2022 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3458220)
Weird thing I've been hearing lately from thosni fly with, and they think it's right, is that the retro wont be based off of a xx% raise right off the bat bit prorated based off of 2020, 2021, 2022 etc at a much much lower %.these guys are saying we should only expect retro off of 2% in 2022 and maybe 2-4% 2021 and maybe 5% 2022.
is this for real? Or are they trying to save the comapny?


Retro better be in full. No full retro, no deal.

WHACKMASTER 07-10-2022 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3458220)
Weird thing I've been hearing lately from thosni fly with, and they think it's right, is that the retro wont be based off of a xx% raise right off the bat bit prorated based off of 2020, 2021, 2022 etc at a much much lower %.these guys are saying we should only expect retro off of 2% in 2022 and maybe 2-4% 2021 and maybe 5% 2022.
is this for real? Or are they trying to save the comapny?

Ask them if they’re aware that we get random drug tested.

Smooth at FL450 07-10-2022 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3458220)
Weird thing I've been hearing lately from thosni fly with, and they think it's right, is that the retro wont be based off of a xx% raise right off the bat bit prorated based off of 2020, 2021, 2022 etc at a much much lower %.these guys are saying we should only expect retro off of 2% in 2022 and maybe 2-4% 2021 and maybe 5% 2022.
is this for real? Or are they trying to save the comapny?

But didn't they hear that Bob Jordan recently told an upgrade class there would be no retro??? It's so confusing when nothing has been said publicly or agreed upon...SMH

flyguy81 07-10-2022 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3458242)
But didn't they hear that Bob Jordan recently told an upgrade class there would be no retro??? It's so confusing when nothing has been said publicly or agreed upon...SMH

Jordan can call it retro or a signing bonus. I could care less. I want back pay at 100% and my 401k to be made whole from them stalling.

WHACKMASTER 07-10-2022 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 3458288)
Jordan can call it retro or a signing bonus. I could care less. I want back pay at 100% and my 401k to be made whole from them stalling.

…….and I’m willing to strike for it.


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