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Tankerhead 09-25-2022 03:53 AM
Lance
 
Two questions. How can I see who is holding lance in a given base?

Can a lance pick up left seat flying from any source or are there restrictions? i.e. can they bid POT from any base?

RJSAviator76 09-25-2022 04:28 AM
Originally Posted by Tankerhead (Post 3501014)
Two questions. How can I see who is holding lance in a given base?

Can a lance pick up left seat flying from any source or are there restrictions? i.e. can they bid POT from any base?
Bid packets. They have a star next to their name. Hence the use "keep a star" or "lose a star."

And. yes, you can pick up left seat flying anywhere, but remember, as a lance, you're the rock bottom priority for any OT. From the contract:

Order of Open Time Award:
  1. Additional Captain flying will be awarded in the following order. For this section, the term “legal” is to include the limitations set forth in Section 5.D.2.l and currency and qualifications required in Section 6.B.2.g for ETOPS and Near International stations requiring Supervised Airport Qualifications at the time of the legality check in the Crew Management System. A pairing will not be removed once it is placed on the pilot’s line, if an updated time causes a violation of Section 5.D.2.l.
    1. Captain in domicile, legal, available, under the CAP.
    2. Captain in domicile, legal, available, over the CAP.
    3. Captain out of domicile, legal, available, under the CAP.
    4. Captain out of domicile, legal, available, over the CAP.
    5. Designated Lance Captain in domicile, legal, available, under the CAP.
    6. Designated Lance Captain in domicile, legal, available, over the CAP.
    7. Designated Lance Captain out of domicile, legal, available, under the CAP.
    8. Designated Lance Captain out of domicile, legal, available, over the CAP.
    9. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, Captain in domicile legal, available, under the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    10. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, Captain in domicile legal, available, over the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    11. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, Captain out of domicile, legal, available, under the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    12. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, Captain out of domicile, legal, available, over the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    13. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, designated Lance Captain in domicile legal, available, under the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    14. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, designated Lance Captain in domicile legal, available, over the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    15. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, designated Lance Captain out of domicile legal, available, under the CAP on designated non-fly events.
    16. For POT and SNOT-Premium only, designated Lance Captain out of domicile legal, available, over the CAP on designated non-fly events.

Mozam 09-25-2022 07:53 AM
Originally Posted by Tankerhead (Post 3501014)
Two questions. How can I see who is holding lance in a given base?

Can a lance pick up left seat flying from any source or are there restrictions? i.e. can they bid POT from any base?
Can pick up out of any base, not restrictions . Bid turns if you can hold them, easier to give away . The bid packet has the star next to who is lance


I see someone posted

hoover 09-26-2022 01:51 PM
Can also grab cpt trips out of TTGA

3 green 10-12-2022 06:51 AM
Does Southwest pay FO's when they have IOE on a trip? Can they also pick up any open time when released from the IOE trips? If so, why would you ever want to upgrade with a LANCE program? Stay a senior FO, get your trips bought, and pick up CAPT open time.

Smooth at FL450 10-12-2022 07:02 AM
Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3511125)
Does Southwest pay FO's when they have IOE on a trip? Can they also pick up any open time when released from the IOE trips? If so, why would you ever want to upgrade with a LANCE program? Stay a senior FO, get your trips bought, and pick up CAPT open time.
-Lance program has a 12 month limit
-can’t fly over a Removed for Training event
-being a senior FO has nothing to do with getting trips bought. It’s having trips with a ckam that have the desired training footprint that does.

nene 10-12-2022 07:09 AM
Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3511125)
Does Southwest pay FO's when they have IOE on a trip? Can they also pick up any open time when released from the IOE trips? If so, why would you ever want to upgrade with a LANCE program? Stay a senior FO, get your trips bought, and pick up CAPT open time.
remember, SWA still has line bidding so you have find a LCA to bid with and hope they don't trade/drop trips. Not as easy to sharp shoot as in a PBS bidding situation.

3 green 10-12-2022 09:33 AM
Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 3511133)
-Lance program has a 12 month limit
-can’t fly over a Removed for Training event
-being a senior FO has nothing to do with getting trips bought. It’s having trips with a ckam that have the desired training footprint that does.
Ok, it sounded too good to be true. So, after 12 months you have to upgrade or become a regular FO again?

3 green 10-12-2022 09:34 AM
Originally Posted by nene (Post 3511138)
remember, SWA still has line bidding so you have find a LCA to bid with and hope they don't trade/drop trips. Not as easy to sharp shoot as in a PBS bidding situation.
Yes. Not as easy without a LCA friend.

Smooth at FL450 10-12-2022 10:17 AM
Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3511234)
Ok, it sounded too good to be true. So, after 12 months you have to upgrade or become a regular FO again?
yes. Unless there are noncapyain vacancies then I believe you can keep the designation.


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